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Well done all!!

This month has seen 150 messages (I am hopeful this is #150), the
greatest number so far reckoned.

Keep it up, and who knows...

Thanks
Joseph




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hF Sep,

jes, 'n' iz vqst. F wuz bIN kwFit At H lFbrXI.

rIgRdz,

kRal

dshepx <dshep@...> wrote:

--- In shavian@..., carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Here's a brief explaination on why 'ha-ha' and 'hung'
> seem to contradict.
>
> 1. "hung" is tall I believe is tall for at least two reasons
> (a) it looks nice at the end of a syllable and
> (b) the first sub-element phoneme (n) is voiceless.
> It's only the last sub-element that is voiced.


> Carl


dont V bilIv [n] iz vqst? kAn V sE [n]
wiHQt ani vFbrESan in jOr vOkal kordz?

regyrdz,
ds





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Hi folks,

I use all of the compound shavian letters in my shavian writing. As I was checking my email I noticed some debate concerning the "Ian" letter [W] I use this letter even though I pronounce it like Paul does. As 'eat' and 'ado' instead of 'if' and 'ado'. This is a case point for another example of using 'if' in 'eat' 's place. That being the 'ing' I pronounce it like 'eat' and 'hung'. And in my accent group it's either [IN] or [in], but not [iN]. However I use the [iN] because everyone else uses it like that.

regards,

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Hi Carl
That's a good point. A phonetic Alphabet such as Shavian, will tend
to reinforce the most common pronunciation, without necessarily
preventing (Thanks, to a brilliant design) people from understanding
each other, even when the words are written as pronounced by people
with a different accent. The Medium is not the message.
The message is the message.
Regards, Paul V.
pI.es. F enJq sIiN SPt mesaJaz ritan in SYvIan in QD pOsts.
espeSalI pOstskripts.
_______________________attached___________________________-

--- In shavian@..., carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I use all of the compound shavian letters in my shavian writing.
As I was checking my email I noticed some debate concerning
the "Ian" letter [W] I use this letter even though I pronounce it
like Paul does. As 'eat' and 'ado' instead of 'if' and 'ado'. This
is a case point for another example of using 'if' in 'eat' 's
place. That being the 'ing' I pronounce it like 'eat' and 'hung'.
And in my accent group it's either [IN] or [in], but not [iN].
However I use the [iN] because everyone else uses it like that.
>
> regards,
>
> Carl
>
>
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028. H jM. es. nQ [in H 1980z] hAz 25,000,000 pIpel hM yr iliterat. ---/byrbara bUS

115. ultimAtli tFm iz Yl jM hAv, n H FdIa iznt t sEv it, but t sEvor it. ---/elen gUdmAn

153. kjUriositi iz wun v H permAnent n sertAn kErAkteristiks v a vigorus mFnd. --/sAmjMel Jonson

248. fol H kup v hApimes for oHerz, n Her wil bI enuf OverflOiN t fil jUrz t H brim.

---/rOz pAstor stOks

327. bF pEtriotizm iz rIli ment a lov for wunz On nESon abov oHer nESonz; Just Az bF 'IgOizm' iz ment a lov for wunself mOr HAn for oHerz.

419. H mOr spiricMal H eksperiens, H les yrtikjMlat its ekspreSon. --/rFAn lQson

570. sFentists hAv redMsd H number v kAlAmitIz wI mE blEm on god. ---/Jon lenard

609. estAbliSd teknoloJi tends t persist in H fEs v nM teknoloJi. ---/gerit blQ

741.64 mAni v H grEt ilustrEtors in H pAst hAv ben HOz hM hAv kompFld, Over H jIrz, TQzAndz v skecez v Ordinari TiNz arQnd Hem. mOst v H skecez wer mEd wiH nO spesifik jMs in mFnd, jet wun wE or anoHer, Just abQt everiTiN fQnd its wE intM a finiSd ilustrESon. ---/sterliN grEson

847. rFtiN iz pUtiN wunz obseSonz in Order.

---/JIn grenier

927. wen jM pUt dQn H gUd TiNz jM Yt t hAv dun, n lIv Qt H bAd wunz jM did dM -- HAts memwyrz.

---/wil roJorz

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For so long our dicussions have centred around the same old discussions
and same old arguments. Now that we finally have a plan for moving
forward, I'm sure that we can move onward and upward. In our lives, we
may see the rise of shavian if not the fall of the old standards.

After the holidays, barring another writing binge on my part, I will
begin work on gathering our commentaries and discussions on the
previously mentioned articles. If anyone would like to write something
specific, I would be eternally grateful. I am willing to compile these
into a book and begin transliteration of words. I will track down my
copy of Why Johnny Can't Read, and look over the wordlists there.

Finally a method to our madness,
--Star

--- j_brg <stetsdigs@...> wrote:
> Well done all!!
>
> This month has seen 150 messages (I am hopeful this is #150), the
> greatest number so far reckoned.
>
> Keep it up, and who knows...
>
> Thanks
> Joseph
>
>


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'A phonetic Alphabet such as Shavian,...'

Shavian is _not_ a phonetic alphabet.

Shavian _is_ a phonemic alphabet.

Thanks
Joseph






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If you can't find anybody willing or ready to write on a particular
area of shavian then ask me and I will be all too willing. I love to
give my tuppence worth.

Also, please, if possible, make sure Hugh reads what you've written
about shavian. I can honestly say he has more good ideas about the
script than anybody else.

Thanks
Joseph

An aside: Do anybody have a Crimbo wishlist? for shavian I mean.
(Maybe some faeries can majick something up).


--- In shavian@..., Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
wrote:
> For so long our dicussions have centred around the same old
discussions
> and same old arguments. Now that we finally have a plan for moving
> forward, I'm sure that we can move onward and upward. In our lives,
we
> may see the rise of shavian if not the fall of the old standards.
>
> After the holidays, barring another writing binge on my part, I will
> begin work on gathering our commentaries and discussions on the
> previously mentioned articles. If anyone would like to write
something
> specific, I would be eternally grateful. I am willing to compile
these
> into a book and begin transliteration of words. I will track down my
> copy of Why Johnny Can't Read, and look over the wordlists there.
>
> Finally a method to our madness,
> --Star
>
> --- j_brg <stetsdigs@h...> wrote:
> > Well done all!!
> >
> > This month has seen 150 messages (I am hopeful this is #150), the
> > greatest number so far reckoned.
> >
> > Keep it up, and who knows...
> >
> > Thanks
> > Joseph
> >
> >
>
>
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On 23 Dec 2003 at 18:04, j_brg wrote:

> 'A phonetic Alphabet such as Shavian,...'
>
> Shavian is _not_ a phonetic alphabet.
>
> Shavian _is_ a phonemic alphabet.

Yes! *Applause*

Cheers,
Philip
--
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12/23/03 1:04:39 PM, "j_brg" <stetsdigs@...> wrote:

>'A phonetic Alphabet such as Shavian,...'
>
>Shavian is _not_ a phonetic alphabet.
>
>Shavian _is_ a phonemic alphabet.
>
>Thanks
>Joseph

Absolutely. A phonetic alphabet is only good for one accent group, and is
overly difficult for that matter. It would have to have many more letters than
a phonemic alphabet, and people would have trouble thinking of all the rules of
English phonetics, which they would have to know in order to write. Phonetic
alphabets (such as the IPA) are mostly useful to linguists and for dictionary
pronunciation guides.

Ethan






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