Hi Carl
Thanks for re-iterating your very important point. I elaborated on it
and attached it below. It is good to remember the average person does
necessarily have a standard accent or a good understanding of ENGLISH
phonetics, but he still should be able to make himself understood in
Shavian with realatively little study. Realizing letting people know
that there are mixed strategies that will work for everybody is a
great boon to the Shavian Alphabet
> 1. Dictionary Pronunciation
- need a Shavian Spell-Checker or or on-line Shavian Dictionary
- way is the most desirable, especially when writing a permanent
record. (i.e. Book, Newspaper Article, Thesis)
> 2. Transliteration from Traditional Orthography
- May provides a closer approximation of Standard pronunciation
than
some English accents.
- May be the best way to use Shavian when working with a text
already in T.O. especially computer text.
- Can transliterate without a Spell Checker or dictionary.
- Very prone to introduce mid=spellings.
> 3. Personal Pronouncation.
> - best way to use Shavian when working from scratch without a
Dictionary.
- Basically for self-composition (i.e. Diary, notes, new writing)
>
> But although the First way of determining Shaw spelling may be the
best method to write in the Shavian Alphabet for beginners, I still
believe the ultimate Goal should be to know your accent well enough
that you can write one of the Standard American, British, Indian,
South African or Australian English Accents with a fair degree of
accuracy and consistency. And then ideally, we should be able to get
away from the second method, which requires that you have a good
Phonetic understanding of the T.O. and all its exceptions.
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. We need a Shavian Spelling Checker, that can be set for the
accent of the writer.
P.P.S. Hugh, Please excuse me for being a bit snarky in my last
message. Anyways thanks for supporting Shavian.
You have been amazingly informative and helpful over the years.
Keep the faith.
--- In shavian@..., carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi Hugh,
>
> I too have taken a good look at your website since it was
restored. I was (am) impressed by it. I agree that one of Shavian's
many uses is to write in English, is without worrying about
spelling. Which kinda goes back to what I wrote earlier of
the "Three Ways to Spell English Words in Shavian". Which are for
those who forgot, as the following:
> 1.Dictionary Pronouncation
> 2. Inferement from T.O.
> 3. And Personal Pronouncation.
> The Third way is the way we use Shavian when away from a text and
dictionary. (Basically, self-composition -- new writing)
>
> But the First way is desirable when writing Shavian for the public
and the Second way is when away from a dictionary and transliterating
a text.
>
> Anyways thanks for supporting Shavian, Hugh,
>
> best regards,
>
> Carl
>
>
> Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@f...> wrote:
> Hi Paul
>
> Basically the website is the same version as was there when the
plug was
> pulled last May. I haven't done anything to it, merely re-uploaded
it as it
> was then. When I get a chance I will renew it and clean out all the
old dead
> links (including Simon Barnes's site).
>
> Hopefully - and I say hopefully - I can host my Shavian forums
now, and
> improve them somewhat. I'll see how much more space I can get
myself...
>
> Hugh B
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "paul vandenbrink" <pvandenbrink@s...>
> To: <shavian@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:30 PM
> Subject: [shavian] Your website rolls on
>
>
> > Hi Hugh
> >
> > A very nice web-site, with a complete very Shavian Section. It is
> > nice to see such a nice seleection of traansliterated work.
> > I have only one Quibble.
> > You still have Simon Barnes in your lisst of links. I think his
site
> > has been gone almost a year, now.
> > Anyone know what happened to Simon Barnes?
> > Regards, Paul V.
> > ___________attached______________________
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In shavian@..., "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@f...>
> > wrote:
> > > Good news, for me at least...
> > >
> > > My website - if you remember it - now has a new host that will
> > NEVER be shut
> > > down (as long as I keep up the payments)!
> > >
> > > You can now find it at http://mixsynth.fearfulsilence.com/.
> > >
> > > All the Shavian fonts are already there so if you need any
Shavian
> > font,
> > > have a look. All the Shavian texts are being uploaded shortly.
> > >
> > > Have fun,
> > > Hugh B
> >
> >
> >
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