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Hi Hugh
I picked up a copy of the American Heritage Learner's
Dictionary for $12.95 Canadian Dollars and it is very nice. It
matches up the sounds of its phonetic alphabet with the I.P.A
Alphabet which is very useful. It seems to use a slightly simplified
American standard pronuciation, which matches up quite nicely with
the CUT Shaw Alphabet for Americans.
All in all the best choice for everyone in the group.

Regards, Paul V,

P.S. Hi Hugh. Speaking of picking things up. Did you want a copy of
the new Revised Shaw Teaching Guide. Send me your address off-line
and I will mail it to you. To big to Email.

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--- In shavian@..., "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@f...>
wrote:
> As an aside... (I know I know I've said it before) I still think we
should
> use the American Heritage Dictionary as a guide for pronunciations
because
> it is a perfect compromise of British and American Englishes. It
uses
> rhoticisms, it features indications of when to use up/ado, when to
use
> err/array, when to use ah/awe, and it's easily checkable via
> www.dictionary.com. Check it out...
>
> So basically, when anyone isn't sure about how a word should be
spelled when
> writing something for mass consumption, simply look it up there.
>
> Hugh B
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe" <allegrox_2000@y...>
> To: <shavian@...>
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:06 PM
> Subject: [shavian] Re: Wow, it's been a long time
>
>




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Hi Carl

I finished the Shaw transliteration of "The Tower of Babel" on Hugh's
Ikonboard and I noticed some minor variations between our
translations of the story. Nothing too significant. The theme of G-ds
ultimate power still comes thru. Anyway let me know if you have any
questions.
Regards, Paul V.




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On Mar 28, 2004, at 08:33, Hugh Birkenhead wrote:



(FAO in particular Phillip Driscoll)

Can anyone tell me what stage we are at regarding Unicode points?

Has Shavian been allocated some permanent points, and if so do we have a font that has the Shavian characters at those permanent points?

If the fonts we have have the Shavian characters in the old 'temporary' positions, should it be an easy matter to move them to the permanent ones?




Shavian has been assigned its permanent Unicode points starting in version 4.0 of Unicode. There are a couple of fonts out there that handle Shavian at those points -- Andagii and ESL_Gothic_Unicode come to mind right now. Moving characters in a font can be problematic and should only be done with a font tool I would imagine. However, it is easy enough to get fonts with the characters in the proper positions. If you want specific fonts you may want to talk with the font creators to have them produce fonts with the proper code points.

The major issue will be to convert documents already in Unicode at the temporary points over to their final points, or to convert ASCII documents over to Unicode.

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On Mar 28, 2004, at 08:33, Hugh Birkenhead wrote:



(FAO in particular Phillip Driscoll)

Can anyone tell me what stage we are at regarding Unicode points?

Has Shavian been allocated some permanent points, and if so do we have a font that has the Shavian characters at those permanent points?

If the fonts we have have the Shavian characters in the old 'temporary' positions, should it be an easy matter to move them to the permanent ones?




Shavian has been assigned its permanent Unicode points starting in version 4.0 of Unicode. There are a couple of fonts out there that handle Shavian at those points -- Andagii and ESL_Gothic_Unicode come to mind right now. Moving characters in a font can be problematic and should only be done with a font tool I would imagine. However, it is easy enough to get fonts with the characters in the proper positions. If you want specific fonts you may want to talk with the font creators to have them produce fonts with the proper code points.

The major issue will be to convert documents already in Unicode at the temporary points over to their final points, or to convert ASCII documents over to Unicode.

--
Scott Harrison PGP Key ID: 0x0f0b5b86

--- In shavian@..., Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...> wrote:
> I learned it out of my senior english book... But the mousepad or a
> poster might be good for us forgetful ppl.
> --Star


Very true. Maybe I should put a chart on a mini poster or something.



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--- In shavian@..., Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...> wrote:
> I learned it out of my senior english book... But the mousepad or a
> poster might be good for us forgetful ppl.
> --Star


Very true. Maybe I should put a chart on a mini poster or something.



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As I was sitting in chemistry class today, I looked up at the periodic table and
wondered what it would look like in Shavian. I thought it would be rather interesting
to see all the elements marked with Shavian letters. That's when I decided I have to
make one.

But then I started thinking about how I would actually go about assigning letters to
the elements. This is where it gets complicated.

In case anyone is not well acquainted with it, the Periodic table lists all the known
elements in order of their atomic number (number of protons), each having a one- or
two-letter "symbol" that represents it. In the current system, the first letter is always
capitalized, the second (if there is one) is always lowercase. This makes it easy to tell
where one symbol ends and the next begins because each starts with a capital letter.

You probably already knew that, but I'm just making sure. And it's a good lead-in.
^_~

Anyway, this presents a problem for transliteration, since Shavian has only one case.
I even thought of the idea of starting every symbol with a tall or deep letter, and
making any additional letter short. But it just doesn't work with some elements.

Namer does could be used, perhaps, but that could cause confusion with the
hydration dot, which is used to show how much water is in a crystal.

But I thought maybe they should just each have exactly two letters. Then there would
be no confusion. I'm not really sure, though. It'll be interesting to see what others
think about it.



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Shaw has been assigned permanent code points starting
at hex 10450. This is in plane 1 which means that more
then two bytes are needed for each character.

I currently use Fontographer 4.1 which does not recognize
code points greater than hex FFFF. Ethan has offered to
move the characters in my fonts to the correct code points.
I'm currently in the process of smoothing the curves in my
fonts, but I've just been too busy with my day job and my
other interests to get very far.

--Phillip Driscoll

----- Originala Mesagxo -----
De: Scott Harrison <mailto:scott@...>
Al: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sendita: Lundon, 29an de marto 2004, 12:23 ptm
Temo: Re: [shavian] Unicode

On Mar 28, 2004, at 08:33, Hugh Birkenhead wrote:

(FAO in particular Phillip Driscoll)

Can anyone tell me what stage we are at regarding Unicode points?

Has Shavian been allocated some permanent points, and if so do we have a font that has the Shavian characters at those permanent points?

If the fonts we have have the Shavian characters in the old 'temporary' positions, should it be an easy matter to move them to the permanent ones?

Shavian has been assigned its permanent Unicode points starting in version 4.0 of Unicode. There are a couple of fonts out there that handle Shavian at those points -- Andagii and ESL_Gothic_Unicode come to mind right now. Moving characters in a font can be problematic and should only be done with a font tool I would imagine. However, it is easy enough to get fonts with the characters in the proper positions. If you want specific fonts you may want to talk with the font creators to have them produce fonts with the proper code points.

The major issue will be to convert documents already in Unicode at the temporary points over to their final points, or to convert ASCII documents over to Unicode.



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In message <c4acct+10sft@eGroups.com>, Joe <allegrox_2000@...>
writes
>As I was sitting in chemistry class today, I looked up at the periodic
>table and
>wondered what it would look like in Shavian. I thought it would be
>rather interesting
>to see all the elements marked with Shavian letters. That's when I
>decided I have to
>make one.
>

Dear Joe and others,

On the following website there is a periodic table in Shavian script.

http://www.mithrandir.com/Shavian/Shavian.html

John Warner
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john.warner@...




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On Mar 29, 2004, at 18:44, Joe wrote:

> As I was sitting in chemistry class today, I looked up at the periodic
> table and
> wondered what it would look like in Shavian. I thought it would be
> rather interesting
> to see all the elements marked with Shavian letters. That's when I
> decided I have to
> make one.

<SNIP>

> But I thought maybe they should just each have exactly two letters.
> Then there would
> be no confusion. I'm not really sure, though. It'll be interesting
> to see what others
> think about it.
>
>
As John Warner mentioned, you can find what I did for a periodic table
on my website. From the notes there you will see that I did decide on
a uniform two characters for each element. It seems to work well, and
there is no ambiguity with regard to where one element ends and another
starts.

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