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From: paul vandenbrink
Date: 2004-07-11 16:28:04 #
Subject: [shavian] Re: Spam yesterday, Spam tommorrow

Hi Star
Don't worry.
Given our many previous discussions some of which I still painfully
recall, it would not even be in my mind that you would ignore me.
Ignorance of any kind is not one of your many natures.

With fond regards and some waryness, Paul V.
>

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> --Star
>
> P.S. I've found the current discussions fascinating, but I haven't
had > much to say recently, so don't think I'm ignoring you. *g*
>

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From: Star Raven
Date: 2004-07-11 18:46:52 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Re: Spam yesterday, Spam tommorrow

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Pot, Kettle, Black. While no flame wars come to mind, I do know we have
had a few biting discussions. But we're all still friends, right?

Love ya'll!
Star, in stupid Johnson City, where they probably can't spell shavian
*g*

--- paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> Hi Star
> Don't worry.
> Given our many previous discussions some of which I still painfully
> recall, it would not even be in my mind that you would ignore me.
> Ignorance of any kind is not one of your many natures.
>
> With fond regards and some waryness, Paul V.
> >
>
>
> --- In shavian@..., Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
> wrote:
> > --Star
> >
> > P.S. I've found the current discussions fascinating, but I haven't
> had > much to say recently, so don't think I'm ignoring you. *g*
> >
>
>
>

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From: tithhmi
Date: 2004-07-12 07:12:29 #
Subject: [shavian] Re: Member Newsletter for shavian's

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Think we could get something wherein I can use netscapes newsgroups
feature?
And wouldn't it be obvious whereto we ran from our last
correspondences on this site?
--- In shavian@..., Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
wrote:
> Last time, yahoo simply mailed me to say that they couldn't tell me
> what they did to the person, but that they had indeed violated the
> TOSA. I think that the last one was removed from the group, but I never
> can remember the names.
>
> As long as the e-mail gets to my box and my e-mail gets to the list,
> I'm all for a move. Though once we move I say we should leave an
> all-caps all access mail telling any future newbies where we've run off
> to.
>
> --Star
>
> --- Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@f...> wrote:
> > I wonder if they will... they never normally do. They'll say it's the
> >
> > moderator's job to do it and it's nothing to do with them even if we
> > have no
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> >
> > Let's get this shifted to a private list ASAP.
> >
> > Hugh B
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Star Raven" <celestraof12worlds@y...>
> > To: <shavian@...>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 4:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [shavian] Member Newsletter for shavian's
> >
> >
> > >I have reported this idiot as a spammer. Let's see what yoohoo does
> > > about it. *gripe, moan, bitch, whine* Where is our moderator?
> > Where's
> > > anybody?
> > >
> > > --Star
> > >
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From: Star Raven
Date: 2004-07-12 13:23:49 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Re: Member Newsletter for shavian's

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--- tithhmi <tithhmi@...> wrote:
> Think we could get something wherein I can use netscapes newsgroups
> feature?
> And wouldn't it be obvious whereto we ran from our last
> correspondences on this site?

I would think that we want people to find us, but we need to have some
control of our special friends who wish to sell us drugs online or
other services not to trust.

Love ya!
--Star

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From: Star Raven
Date: 2004-07-12 13:23:49 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Re: Member Newsletter for shavian's

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From: Ethan
Date: 2004-07-14 08:20:59 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Hung - Another Anomaly

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paul vandenbrink wrote:
> Thanks Ethan
> I needed confirmation.
> As a rule, English Consonant Clusters are all voiced letters or all
> unvoiced letters.
> Certain Exceptional Sounds which do not fit neatly into the Consonant
> category need not be limited by the above rule.
> 1. Nasals - Mime, Nun, Hung
> 2. Semi-vowels or Glides - Yea, Woe
> 3. Glides/Liquids Roar, Loll
> 4. Aspirate - Ha-Ha doesn't form a Consonant Cluster with any other
> non-exceptional consonant.
> This is useful information, as it explains a subtle regularity in
> Shavian writing.
> Voiced Consonant Clusters use Deep Letters instead of Tall Letters.
> Un-Voiced Consonant Clusters use Tall Letters instead of Deep Letters.
> Most Nasals (mem,nun) and all Glides use Short Letters which can be
> mixed and matched with everthing (Consonants).
> The Aspirate Ha-Ha never forms a Consonant Cluster.
> Only the letter Hung seems to be screwed up, because even tho it is a
> Tall letter and it rarely forms a cluster, it can still form a
> cluster with both k,d and z. K is Unvoiced and D and Z are voiced.
> If Shavian was completely consistent, Hung would be a Short letter
> like the other Nasal Letters,not a Tall.
> What do you think?
> Is Shaw Alphabet internally consistent or what?
>
> Regards, paul V.

I think it is pretty consistent. As you pointed out above, Hung and
Haha are special cases, in that they don't quite follow the rules of all
other similar sounds. Maybe that is why they are reversed from the
other letters - Hung tall, Haha deep - so as to draw attention to their
special status, perhaps? Whatever the reason, I think it works quite well.

--
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My name in Shavian and Latin text

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From: Hugh Birkenhead
Date: 2004-07-14 13:10:20 #
Subject: [shavian] Shaw Alphabet Competition collection @ Bath Uni

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Something of historical interest:

http://www.bath.ac.uk/library/collections/archives/special.html

Take a look down the above page. It seems all the material concerning the "new British alphabet" competition is held by the University of Bath. This was just brought to my attention by Hal Fulton (via his web page at http://www.hypermetrics.com/shaw.html). Apparently, they hold all the other entries (of which there were around 400), which would make fascinating reading for anyone in this group.

It would be good to have some further information on competition entries on-line, not stuck in a University vault where nobody can see it. I'm thinking I'm going to contact the university to see if I can arrange a visit at some point in the not-too-distant future - then the information I get (including, hopefully, scans of documents) will be put on-line for all to see.

Hugh B

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From: Star Raven
Date: 2004-07-14 13:28:32 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Hung - Another Anomaly

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> I think it is pretty consistent. As you pointed out above, Hung and
> Haha are special cases, in that they don't quite follow the rules of
> all
> other similar sounds. Maybe that is why they are reversed from the
> other letters - Hung tall, Haha deep - so as to draw attention to
> their
> special status, perhaps? Whatever the reason, I think it works quite
> well.

You know, Ethan, I hadn't considered that. One more thing to add to the
FAQ, I suppose, as I think it's a good point. Haha and hung do tend to
give us trouble, amongst other things.

Hey, isn't it time for the up vs. ado discussion?
Just Kidding!

Love ya!
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From: Ph. D.
Date: 2004-07-15 02:02:20 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Shaw Alphabet Competition collection @ Bath Uni

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That would be great! I've often wished that I could view the other
entries. I wish you success.

I know that the University of Reading has all of Kingsley Read's
papers relating to his various writing systems. They issued a
catalog of these holdings in 1983 (with a nice portrait of Mr.
Read in the front).

--Ph. D.

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Sendita: Merkredon, 14an de julio 2004, 8:05 atm
Temo: [shavian] Shaw Alphabet Competition collection @ Bath Uni

Something of historical interest:

http://www.bath.ac.uk/library/collections/archives/special.html

Take a look down the above page. It seems all the material concerning the "new British alphabet" competition is held by the University of Bath. This was just brought to my attention by Hal Fulton (via his web page at http://www.hypermetrics.com/shaw.html). Apparently, they hold all the other entries (of which there were around 400), which would make fascinating reading for anyone in this group.

It would be good to have some further information on competition entries on-line, not stuck in a University vault where nobody can see it. I'm thinking I'm going to contact the university to see if I can arrange a visit at some point in the not-too-distant future - then the information I get (including, hopefully, scans of documents) will be put on-line for all to see.

Hugh B

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From: Paul Vandenbrink
Date: 2004-07-15 06:11:29 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Shaw Alphabet Competition collection

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Hi Hugh
I don't know if I am all that interested in the 400 original entries.
But I would be fascinated to look at the work of the 3 other Finalist, besides Kingsley Read. It should be included with the 400.
Into the valley rode(wrote) the 400.

Regards, Paul V.

At 08:05 AM 7/14/04, you wrote:

Something of historical interest:

http://www.bath.ac.uk/library/collections/archives/special.html

Take a look down the above page. It seems all the material concerning the "new British alphabet" competition is held by the University of Bath. This was just brought to my attention by Hal Fulton (via his web page at http://www.hypermetrics.com/shaw.html). Apparently, they hold all the other entries (of which there were around 400), which would make fascinating reading for anyone in this group.

It would be good to have some further information on competition entries on-line, not stuck in a University vault where nobody can see it. I'm thinking I'm going to contact the university to see if I can arrange a visit at some point in the not-too-distant future - then the information I get (including, hopefully, scans of documents) will be put on-line for all to see.

Hugh B

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