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From: qpwoei34po19
Date: 2004-07-11 02:12:51 #
Subject: [shavian] Member Newsletter for shavian's

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From: Star Raven
Date: 2004-07-11 04:24:59 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Member Newsletter for shavian's

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I have reported this idiot as a spammer. Let's see what yoohoo does
about it. *gripe, moan, bitch, whine* Where is our moderator? Where's
anybody?

--Star

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From: Star Raven
Date: 2004-07-11 04:24:59 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Member Newsletter for shavian's

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I have reported this idiot as a spammer. Let's see what yoohoo does
about it. *gripe, moan, bitch, whine* Where is our moderator? Where's
anybody?

--Star

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From: paul vandenbrink
Date: 2004-07-11 07:03:21 #
Subject: [shavian] Hung - Another Anomaly

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Thanks Ethan
I needed confirmation.
As a rule, English Consonant Clusters are all voiced letters or all
unvoiced letters.
Certain Exceptional Sounds which do not fit neatly into the Consonant
category need not be limited by the above rule.
1. Nasals - Mime, Nun, Hung
2. Semi-vowels or Glides - Yea, Woe
3. Glides/Liquids Roar, Loll
4. Aspirate - Ha-Ha doesn't form a Consonant Cluster with any other
non-exceptional consonant.
This is useful information, as it explains a subtle regularity in
Shavian writing.
Voiced Consonant Clusters use Deep Letters instead of Tall Letters.
Un-Voiced Consonant Clusters use Tall Letters instead of Deep Letters.
Most Nasals (mem,nun) and all Glides use Short Letters which can be
mixed and matched with everthing (Consonants).
The Aspirate Ha-Ha never forms a Consonant Cluster.
Only the letter Hung seems to be screwed up, because even tho it is a
Tall letter and it rarely forms a cluster, it can still form a
cluster with both k,d and z. K is Unvoiced and D and Z are voiced.
If Shavian was completely consistent, Hung would be a Short letter
like the other Nasal Letters,not a Tall.
What do you think?
Is Shaw Alphabet internally consistent or what?

Regards, paul V.

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--- In shavian@..., Ethan <ethanl@3...> wrote:
> paul vandenbrink wrote:
> > Usually Consonant Clusters are all voiced letters or all unvoiced
> > letters. m and y goes with un-voiced for some reason as
in "Shmuck".
> > l and r go with both Voiced and unvoiced consonants when forming
> > consonant clusters.
>
> Mime, Nun, Hung, Yay, Woa, Roar, Loll - All are sort of in between
> consonant and vowel, and so the rules for these nasals, semivowels
or
> glides, and liquids are different from most consonants.
Ethan



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From: paul vandenbrink
Date: 2004-07-11 07:13:26 #
Subject: [shavian] Re: Spam yesterday, Spam tommorrow

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Hi Star
I think you mean:
>Where's
> anybody who can stop this attack on the integrity of our Group
> Postings?
Any ideas, anybody.

Star, I suggest that reveal his name, if you know it.

Regards, Paul V.
--- In shavian@..., Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
wrote:
> I have reported this idiot as a spammer. Let's see what yoohoo does
> about it. *gripe, moan, bitch, whine* Where is our moderator?
Where's
> anybody?
>
> --Star
>
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>
>
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From: Star Raven
Date: 2004-07-11 14:02:37 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Re: Spam yesterday, Spam tommorrow

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As if a spammer would leave his name.... Probably just another
web-crawling spam-bot. I have a few in my groups, but I only know who
they are when they post, besides they fake e-mail addresses all the
time. All I know is that every time I come up against them, I simply
cry for big brother Yahoo to vanquish them. So far, it's worked, but
that doesn't mean it's not a PITA (pain in the...neck) to deal with.

--Star

P.S. I've found the current discussions fascinating, but I haven't had
much to say recently, so don't think I'm ignoring you. *g*

--- paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> Hi Star
> I think you mean:
> >Where's
> > anybody who can stop this attack on the integrity of our Group
> > Postings?
> Any ideas, anybody.
>
> Star, I suggest that reveal his name, if you know it.
>
> Regards, Paul V.


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From: Hugh Birkenhead
Date: 2004-07-11 14:19:56 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Member Newsletter for shavian's

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I wonder if they will... they never normally do. They'll say it's the
moderator's job to do it and it's nothing to do with them even if we have no
moderator.

Let's get this shifted to a private list ASAP.

Hugh B

----- Original Message -----
From: "Star Raven" <celestraof12worlds@...>
To: <shavian@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Member Newsletter for shavian's


>I have reported this idiot as a spammer. Let's see what yoohoo does
> about it. *gripe, moan, bitch, whine* Where is our moderator? Where's
> anybody?
>
> --Star
>
> =====
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>
>
>
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From: Hugh Birkenhead
Date: 2004-07-11 14:19:56 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Member Newsletter for shavian's

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I wonder if they will... they never normally do. They'll say it's the
moderator's job to do it and it's nothing to do with them even if we have no
moderator.

Let's get this shifted to a private list ASAP.

Hugh B

----- Original Message -----
From: "Star Raven" <celestraof12worlds@...>
To: <shavian@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Member Newsletter for shavian's


>I have reported this idiot as a spammer. Let's see what yoohoo does
> about it. *gripe, moan, bitch, whine* Where is our moderator? Where's
> anybody?
>
> --Star
>
> =====
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> Yarn sliding past.
> Knit on, and be joyous! --Knitter's Haiku
>
>
>
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From: Star Raven
Date: 2004-07-11 15:02:33 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Member Newsletter for shavian's

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Last time, yahoo simply mailed me to say that they couldn't tell me
what they did to the person, but that they had indeed violated the
TOSA. I think that the last one was removed from the group, but I never
can remember the names.

As long as the e-mail gets to my box and my e-mail gets to the list,
I'm all for a move. Though once we move I say we should leave an
all-caps all access mail telling any future newbies where we've run off
to.

--Star

--- Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@...> wrote:
> I wonder if they will... they never normally do. They'll say it's the
>
> moderator's job to do it and it's nothing to do with them even if we
> have no
> moderator.
>
> Let's get this shifted to a private list ASAP.
>
> Hugh B
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Star Raven" <celestraof12worlds@...>
> To: <shavian@...>
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 4:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [shavian] Member Newsletter for shavian's
>
>
> >I have reported this idiot as a spammer. Let's see what yoohoo does
> > about it. *gripe, moan, bitch, whine* Where is our moderator?
> Where's
> > anybody?
> >
> > --Star
> >
> > =====
> > Needles clicking together,
> > Yarn sliding past.
> > Knit on, and be joyous! --Knitter's Haiku
> >
> >
> >
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From: paul vandenbrink
Date: 2004-07-11 16:28:04 #
Subject: [shavian] Re: Spam yesterday, Spam tommorrow

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Hi Star
Don't worry.
Given our many previous discussions some of which I still painfully
recall, it would not even be in my mind that you would ignore me.
Ignorance of any kind is not one of your many natures.

With fond regards and some waryness, Paul V.
>


--- In shavian@..., Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
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> --Star
>
> P.S. I've found the current discussions fascinating, but I haven't
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>




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