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Hi Philip I was looking at this question about the creation of
Abbreviations for Shavian (beyond the 5 Single Letter Abbreviations in
common use, that is ). Personally, I think abbreviations typically
evolve over time. A long clumbersome word over time gets arbitrarily
shortened and it either becomes common usage and is recognised as such
or it doesn't. For example Television -> TV
Information -> Info Advertisement -> Advert -> Ad
Homosexual or Homogenized -> Homo Personal
Computer -> PC Politically Correct -> PC
Recreation Vehicle -> RV If that is the case, each spelling system
should be allowed to evolve it's own short cuts. The word and its
Abbrev. have to be popular enough to be quickly recognised. Personally I
don't even know if Global English Culture is Homogeneous enough to make
most English Abbrev.'s universal. We should probably make up a list of
common Easily recognised Abbrev.s. to get a handle on the situation.
Regards, Paul V. _____________atAct____________________________ hQ R
abrIviESanz t bI rendDd in /SYvWn? Az H /SYvWn letDz kPaspondiN t H
/iNliS letDz, P Az H iniSal letDz v H wxdz speld in /SEvWn? fP agzympl,
asVm "UHM" iz H abrIviESan fP H "/unwoSt /hVman /mAsiz". iz H /SEvWn
abrIviESan "/uhm" (P "/u/h/m") fP "/unwoSt /hVman /mAsiz" P "/V/h/m" fP
"UHM"? wot abQt Akranimz HAt R prOnQnst Az wxdz? iz CMOS "/k/m/o/s" fP
"/komplimentDi /metal /oksFd on /Silikon" or "/sImos" fP "see-moss"? (n
hQ meni nEmD dots?) jUDz /SYvWnli, filip

helO grMp,

kamiN Qt v lurkiN mOd t stE in prAktis.

pOem 6 bIiN H 6'T poem F'v trAnslitxEted.

F wil pOst pRt 2 nekst /frFdE n pRt 3 H
wIk after HAt; f TOz HAt R intxested.

/H lEdI v Salot
stAnzaz 1 HrM 7
bF /Alfred /lPd /tenesan

on ITx sFd H rivx lF
long fIlds v bRlI n v rF,
HAt klOT H wxrd n mIt H skF,
n HrM H fIld H rOd run bF
t menI-tQxd /kAmelot;
n up n dQn H pIpl gO,
gEziN wX H lilIz blO
rQnd An FlAnd HX bIlO,
H FlAnd v /Salot.

wilOs wFten, Aspens kwivx,
litl brIzes dusk n Sivx
TrM H wEv HAt runs f evx
bF H FlAnd in H rivx
flOwiN dqn t /kAmelot.
fP grE wYls, n fP grE tQxs,
OvxlUk a spEs v flQxs,
n H sFlent Fl imbQxs
H lEdI v SAlot.

bF H mRJin, wilO vEld,
slFd H hevI bRJez trEld
bF slO hPses; n unhEld
H SAlop fitiT silken-sEld
skimiN dQn t /kAmelot;
but hM hAT sIn hx wEv hx hAnd?
P At H kEsment sIn hx stAnd?
P is SI nOn in Yl H lAnd,
H lEdI v SAlot?

OnlI rIpxz, rIpiN xlI,
in amang H bCded bRlI
hC a song HAt ekOs cClI;
from H rivx wFndiN klClI;
dQn t tQxd /kAmelot;
n bF H mMn H rIpx wXI,
pFliN SIvs in uplAnds XI,
liseniN, wispxs, "tis H fXI
H lEdI v Salot.

HX SI wIves bF nFt n dE
a mAJik web wiT kalPz gE.
SI hAz hxd a wispx sE,
a kxs iz on hx if SI stE
t lUk dQn t /lAmelot.
SI nOs not wat H kxs mE bI,
n sO SI wIveT stedilI,
n litl aTx kX hAT SI,
H lEdI v Salot.

n mMviN HrM a mirx klC
HAt hEngz befP hx Yl H jC,
SAdOs v H wPld apC.
HX SI sIz H hFwE nC
wFndiN dQn t /kAmelot;
HX H rivx edI wxlz,
n HX H sxlI vilAJ cxlz,
n H red klOks v mRket gxlz
pAs onwxd fram /Salot.

samtFmz a trMp v dAmzalz glAd,
An Abet on An AmbliN pAd,
samtFmz a kxlI Sepxd lAd,
P long-hXd pEJ in krimson klAd
gOs bF t tQxd /kAmelot;
n samtFmz HrM H mirx blM
H nFts kam rFdiN tM n tM.
SI hAT nO lqYl /nFt n trM,
H lEdI v Salot.

. . .

regRdz,
/brFAn /AlJxI

hF /brFAn /E.
F rIlI lFk His pOam. but I notis 2 pryblemz.
fxst, lFk pOamz evrIwX, it plEz fAst n lMs wiT
H /iNgliS lANwiJ. F wUd nevD rekugnFz H wxdz
cIrlI => *cheerly
wOld/wxrd => *wold/world
imbQxs => *embowers
fitiT => *flittith
SAlop => *Shallop
F wUd nevD nevD Vz "dusk" Az a vxb.
V R a betD mAn HAn F Am /tenI /sin.
F suJest Hat wI mRk Yl HIz impystxz
wiT a lIdiN AstDisk (*cIrlI) t avQd
kunfVSun n frustrESun.
it wUd bI a nFs kymplament t H /nEmD dot.

sekund, V dOnt sIm t bI dastiNgwiSiN batwIn
H sQndz f H letxz /adM n /up
H sQndz f H letxz /arE n /x

sO F sI V rFt
"n litl aTx kX hAT SI,"

wX F wud Akspekt "uHD".
F agrI HAt it iz difakult t dustiNgwiS
batwIn H letxz /arE n /x,
F kwFt simpATFz wiT yP salMSun,
but plIz trF n dustiNgwiS
batwIn H letxz /adM n /up.

rigRdz, /pYl /vI.
pI. es. plIz kIp up H gUd wxk.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Algeri" <bkalgeri@...>
wrote:
> /H lEdI v Salot
> bF /Alfred /lPd /tenesan
>
> on ITx sFd H rivx lF
> long fIlds v bRlI n v rF,
> HAt klOT H wxrd n mIt H skF,
> n HrM H fIld H rOd run bF
> t menI-tQxd /kAmelot;
> n up n dQn H pIpl gO,
> gEziN wX H lilIz blO
> rQnd An FlAnd HX bIlO,
> H FlAnd v /Salot.
>
> wilOs wFten, Aspens kwivx,
> litl brIzes dusk n Sivx
> TrM H wEv HAt runs f evx
> bF H FlAnd in H rivx
> flOwiN dqn t /kAmelot.
> fP grE wYls, n fP grE tQxs,
> OvxlUk a spEs v flQxs,
> n H sFlent Fl imbQxs
> H lEdI v SAlot.
>
> bF H mRJin, wilO vEld,
> slFd H hevI bRJez trEld
> bF slO hPses; n unhEld
> H SAlop fitiT silken-sEld
> skimiN dQn t /kAmelot;
> but hM hAT sIn hx wEv hx hAnd?
> P At H kEsment sIn hx stAnd?
> P is SI nOn in Yl H lAnd,
> H lEdI v SAlot?
>
> OnlI rIpxz, rIpiN xlI,
> in amang H bCded bRlI
> hC a song HAt ekOs cClI;
> from H rivx wFndiN klClI;
> dQn t tQxd /kAmelot;
> n bF H mMn H rIpx wXI,
> pFliN SIvs in uplAnds XI,
> liseniN, wispxs, "tis H fXI
> H lEdI v Salot.
>
> HX SI wIves bF nFt n dE
> a mAJik web wiT kalPz gE.
> SI hAz hxd a wispx sE,
> a kxs iz on hx if SI stE
> t lUk dQn t /lAmelot.
> SI nOs not wat H kxs mE bI,
> n sO SI wIveT stedilI,
> n litl aTx kX hAT SI,
> H lEdI v Salot.
>
> n mMviN HrM a mirx klC
> HAt hEngz befP hx Yl H jC,
> SAdOs v H wPld apC.
> HX SI sIz H hFwE nC
> wFndiN dQn t /kAmelot;
> HX H rivx edI wxlz,
> n HX H sxlI vilAJ cxlz,
> n H red klOks v mRket gxlz
> pAs onwxd fram /Salot.
>
> samtFmz a trMp v dAmzalz glAd,
> An Abet on An AmbliN pAd,
> samtFmz a kxlI Sepxd lAd,
> P long-hXd pEJ in krimson klAd
> gOs bF t tQxd /kAmelot;
> n samtFmz HrM H mirx blM
> H nFts kam rFdiN tM n tM.
> SI hAT nO lqYl /nFt n trM,
> H lEdI v Salot.

hF /pYl

F Am not Sx F undxstAnd H fxst pRt v Vr mesAJ.
wiT H lIdiN AstDisk mRkiN VsAJ.

on pranunSIESon, F pranQns H sQndz "a" n "u" H
sEm. F YlsO pranQns H sQndz "x" n "D" H sEm.

F hAv disFded not t Vz H "D" inImP n Just Vz
H "x". F waz VsiN "D" At H end v wxdz lik "wYtD"
but nQ Vz "wYtx" Az it sQndz H sEm.

f H letx "u" F Vz it if H /rOmAn speliN
Vzez H "u" letx, lFk in "but" n "Just".
HIz wxdz sQnd H sAm if spelt lFk "bat"
P "Jast". sO f H wxd "aHx" P "uHx" F spel
HAt wiT H "a" letx. agin ITx wE sQndz H sEm.
mF dilSonXI pranQnsez "aHx" wiT a "a"
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/other

As F menSond in mF fxst pOst lAst sumx,
His is H wan problem wiT SYvWn. lFk H wxdz
"tOmEtO" n "tOmytO" P "bItwIn" n "bitwIn" wX
wxdz R not pranQnsd H sEm. YlsO wX H dFalekts
bitwIn H sEm sQndz R difxent P R indistiNwiSabl.
lFk "a" n "u" And "x" n "D" in difxent /ingliS
rIJonz.

HENks f Vr komentz /pYl. F Am Open t kPetSonz if
F kAn undxstAnd hQ t Vz Hen.


regRdz,
/brFAn /AlJxI

hF /brFan /E.

sPI, /brFan
F didant intend to kPekt V.
F wuz Just kumplEniN abQt sum v H limatESunz
v /SYvIan.
Just bakuz it iz best TiN arQnd f /iNgliS,
duzant mIn it duzant hAv sum limatESunz.
fxst, bakuz it rIlFz yn sQnd rekygniSun,
it duzant dIal wiT H mEd up wxrds, Hat R
sum tFmz Vzd in pOatrI. HAts wF F wuz sEiN HAt
HOz wxdz SUd bI mRkt wiT an AstDisk.
sekund, Az f jD lEk v distiNSun, f sum v H
/SYvIan letters
F hAv it tM.
it wUd bI lFk H pyt kYliN H ketal blAk.
F hAv H sEm pryblem wiT "arE" n "x".
JenDYlI F OnlI Vz "x" wen "x" sQnd iz in
H midal v a silabUl batwIn 2 kynsunents.
if H "x" sQnd endz a silabUl, F Vz "arE".
F hAv t hAv a rMal, bakuz F dOnt hC a
signifakunt difDens IHD.

HENks f raspyndiN t mF grumbliNz abQt
/SYvIan sO prymptlI
rigRdz, /pYl /vI.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Algeri" <bkalgeri@...>
wrote:
> F Am not Sx F undxstAnd H fxst pRt v Vr mesAJ.
> wiT H lIdiN AstDisk mRkiN VsAJ.
>
> on pranunSIESon, F pranQns H sQndz "a" n "u" H
> sEm. F YlsO pranQns H sQndz "x" n "D" H sEm.

> F hAv disFded not t Vz H "D" inImP n Just Vz
> H "x". F waz VsiN "D" At H end v wxdz lik "wYtD"
> but nQ Vz "wYtx" Az it sQndz H sEm.
>
> f H letx "u" F Vz it if H /rOmAn speliN
> Vzez H "u" letx, lFk in "but" n "Just".
> HIz wxdz sQnd H sAm if spelt lFk "bat"
> P "Jast". sO f H wxd "aHx" P "uHx" F spel
> HAt wiT H "a" letx. agin ITx wE sQndz H sEm.
> mF dilSonXI pranQnsez "aHx" wiT a "a"
> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/other
>
> As F menSond in mF fxst pOst lAst sumx,
> His is H wan problem wiT SYvWn. lFk H wxdz
> "tOmEtO" n "tOmytO" P "bItwIn" n "bitwIn" wX
> wxdz R not pranQnsd H sEm. YlsO wX H dFalekts
> bitwIn H sEm sQndz R difxent P R indistiNwiSabl.
> lFk "a" n "u" And "x" n "D" in difxent /ingliS
> rIJonz.

helO /pYl,

wat abQt YlsO VziN H Astxisk f unkomen abrIvIESonz
lFk *nAsa. Hen H rIdx nOz rFt awE HAt H wxd is An abrIviESon.

regRdz,
/brFAn

hF /brFAn /E.
F agrI HAt V kUd Vz H Astxisk f unkomen abrIvIESunz.
unfPcunetlI, F TiNk jP eksAmpal iz kyman inuf, nyt t rIkwFD
speSal mRkiN. a /nEmD dyt wUd bI sMfiSant f /nAsa.
a betD eksAmpal wUd bI *sIFE P *elsIbIO (LCBO) wic iz kymanlI
Vzd in /kAnadu t rafx t H /yntXIO /likD /kuntrOl /bPd.
in abrIvIESunz wX V prOnQns Ic /rOmen letD nEm it rIlI
mEks sens t mRk Hem Az hAviN nun=stAndxd prOnunsIESun.

rigRdz, /pYl /vI.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Algeri" <bkalgeri@...>
wrote:
> wat abQt YlsO VziN H Astxisk f unkomen abrIvIESonz
> lFk *nAsa. Hen H rIdx nOz rFt awE HAt H wxd is An abrIviESon.

helO grMp,

hC iz pRt tM v poem numbx siks.

/H lEdI v Salot
stAnzaz 8 HrM 14
bF /Alfred /lPd /tenesan

. . .

but in hx web SI stil dIlFts
t wIv hx mirxs mAJik sFts,
f often HrM H sFlent nFts
a fVnxYl, wiT plMms n lFts
n musik, went t /kAmelot;
P wen H mMn waz Ovxhed,
kEm tM jang luvxz lEtlI wed.
"F Am hAf sik v SAdOz," sed
H lEdI v Salot.

a bO-Sot fram hx bQx-Ivz,
hI rOd bitwIn H bRlI SIvz,
H sun kEm dAzliN HrM H lIvz,
n flEmd upon H brEzen grIvz
v bOld /sx /lAnselot.
a red-kros nFt f evx nIld
t a lEdI in hiz SIld,
HAt spRkld on H jelO fIld,
bIsFd remOt /Salot.

H JemI brFdl glitxd frI,
lFk t sam brAnc v stRz wI sI
huN in H gOlden gAleksI.
H brFdl belz rEN mXilI
As hI rOd dQn t /kAmelot;
n fram hiz blEzond bAldrik sluN
a mFtI silvx bMgl huN,
n As hI rOd hiz Rmx ruN
bisFd remOt /Salot.

Yl in H blM unklQded weTx
Hik-JMald SOn H sAdl-leTx,
H helmet n H helmet-feTx
bxnd lFk wan bxniN flEm tMgeTx,
As hI rOd dQn t /kAmelot.
As often HrO H pxpl nFt,
bilO H stRI klustxz brFt,
sam bCded mItIP, bxniN brFt,
mMvz Ovx stil /Salot.

hiz brod klC brQ in sunlFt glOd;
on bxniSd hUvz hiz wP-hPs trod;
fram undxnIT hiz helmet flOd
hiz kOl-blAk kxlz Az on hI rOd,
Az hI rOd dQn t /kAmelot.
fram H bEnk n fram H rivx
hI flASd intM H kristl mirP,
"tira lira," bF H rivx
sEN /sx /lAnselot.

SI left H web, SI left H lMm,
SI mEd TrI pEsez HrM H rMm,
SI sY H wAtx-lilI blMm,
SI sY H helmet n H plMm,
SI lUkd dQn t /kAmelot.
Qt flM H web n flOted wFd;
H mirx krAkd fram sFd t sFd;
"H kxs iz kam upon mI," krFd
H lEdI v Salot.

in H stPmI Ist-wind strEniN,
H pEl jelO wUdz wx wEniN,
H brod strIm in hiz bEnks kamplEniN.
hevilI H lO skF rEniN
Ovx tQxd /kAmelot;
dQn SI kEm n fQnd a bOt
binIT a wilO left aflOt,
n arQnd abQt H prQ SI wrOt
H lEdI v Salot.

. . .

regRdz,
/brFAn /AlJxI

helO grMp,

hC is H lAst pRt v pOem siks.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

/H lEdI v Salot
stAnzaz 15 HrM 19
bF /Alfred /lPd /tenesan

. . .

n dQn H rivx'z dim ekspAns
lFk sam bOld sIx in a trAns,
sIiN Yl hiz On miscAns --
wiT a glAsI kontenans
did SI lUk t /kAmelot.
n At H klOsiN v H dE
SI lMsd H cEn, n dQn SI lE;
H brod strIm bP hx fR awE,
H lEdI v Salot.

lFiN, rObd in snOI wFt
HAt lMslI flM t left n rFt --
H lIvz upon hx fYliN lFt --
HrM H nqsez v H nFt,
SI flOted dQn t /kAmelot:
n Az H bOt-held wQnd aloN
H wilOI hilz n fIldz amoN
HE hxd hx siNiN hx lAst soN,
H lEdI v Salot.

hxd a kAral, mPnfUl, hOlI,
cAnted lQdlI, cAnted lOlI,
til hx blad wAz frOzen slOlI,
n hx Fz wx dRkend hOlI,
txnd t tQxd /kAmelot.
f x SI rIcd upon H tFd
H fxst hQs bF H wYtx-sFd,
siNiN in hx soN SI dFd,
H lEdI v Salot.

undx tQx n bAlkanI,
bF gRden-wYl n gAlxI,
a glImiN SEp SI flOted bF,
ded-pEl bitwIn H hQs hF,
silent intM /kAmelot.
Qt upon H wPfs HE kEm,
/nFt n /bxgx, /lPd n dEm,
n arQnd H prQ HE rId hx nEm,
H lEdI v Salot.

hO iz His? n wat iz hC?
n in H lFted pAles nC
dFd H sQnd v rqal cC,
n HE krosd Hemselvz f fC,
Yl H /nFts At /kAmelot;
but /lAnselot mVsd a litl spEs
hI sed, "SI hAz a luvlI fEs;
/god in hiz mxsI lend hx grEs,
H lEdI v Salot."
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

regRdz,
/brFAn /AlJxI

hF /brFan /E.
a vXI nFs trAnslitDESun.
H OnlI flF in H qntment HAt F notist wuz
H wxdz mCD n mCxz. sum pIpal prOnQns mCxz Az mIDz.
F nOtist HAt V spelt it 2 difDent wEz.
mi-rxz in stAnza 8
mi-rP in stAnza 12 wic wUd bI An AltDnet
prOnunSIESun.

it iz funI hQ AdiN an /es t mEk a wxd
plDal kAn mes arQnd wiT H wxdz vQal
prOnunSIESun.

vXI nFs pOam, hOp V kAn finiS it sMn.
rigRdz /pYl /vI.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Algeri" <bkalgeri@...>
wrote:
> hC iz pRt 2 v poem numbx siks.
>
> /H lEdI v Salot
> stAnzaz 8 HrM 14
> bF /Alfred /lPd /tenesan
>
> but in hx web SI stil dIlFts
> t wIv hx mirxs mAJik sFts,
> f often HrM H sFlent nFts
> a fVnxYl, wiT plMms n lFts
> n musik, went t /kAmelot;
> P wen H mMn waz Ovxhed,
> kEm tM jang luvxz lEtlI wed.
> "F Am hAf sik v SAdOz," sed
> H lEdI v Salot.
>
> a bO-Sot fram hx bQx-Ivz,
> hI rOd bitwIn H bRlI SIvz,
> H sun kEm dAzliN HrM H lIvz,
> n flEmd upon H brEzen grIvz
> v bOld /sx /lAnselot.
> a red-kros nFt f evx nIld
> t a lEdI in hiz SIld,
> HAt spRkld on H jelO fIld,
> bIsFd remOt /Salot.
>
> H JemI brFdl glitxd frI,
> lFk t sam brAnc v stRz wI sI
> huN in H gOlden gAleksI.
> H brFdl belz rEN mXilI
> As hI rOd dQn t /kAmelot;
> n fram hiz blEzond bAldrik sluN
> a mFtI silvx bMgl huN,
> n As hI rOd hiz Rmx ruN
> bisFd remOt /Salot.
>
> Yl in H blM unklQded weTx
> Hik-JMald SOn H sAdl-leTx,
> H helmet n H helmet-feTx
> bxnd lFk wan bxniN flEm tMgeTx,
> As hI rOd dQn t /kAmelot.
> As often HrO H pxpl nFt,
> bilO H stRI klustxz brFt,
> sam bCded mItIP, bxniN brFt,
> mMvz Ovx stil /Salot.
>
> hiz brod klC brQ in sunlFt glOd;
> on bxniSd hUvz hiz wP-hPs trod;
> fram undxnIT hiz helmet flOd
> hiz kOl-blAk kxlz Az on hI rOd,
> Az hI rOd dQn t /kAmelot.
> fram H bEnk n fram H rivx
> hI flASd intM H kristl mirP,
> "tira lira," bF H rivx
> sEN /sx /lAnselot.
>
> SI left H web, SI left H lMm,
> SI mEd TrI pEsez HrM H rMm,
> SI sY H wAtx-lilI blMm,
> SI sY H helmet n H plMm,
> SI lUkd dQn t /kAmelot.
> Qt flM H web n flOted wFd;
> H mirx krAkd fram sFd t sFd;
> "H kxs iz kam upon mI," krFd
> H lEdI v Salot.
>
> in H stPmI Ist-wind strEniN,
> H pEl jelO wUdz wx wEniN,
> H brod strIm in hiz bEnks kamplEniN.
> hevilI H lO skF rEniN
> Ovx tQxd /kAmelot;
> dQn SI kEm n fQnd a bOt
> binIT a wilO left aflOt,
> n arQnd abQt H prQ SI wrOt
> H lEdI v Salot.