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From: Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...>
Date: 2007-05-18 15:56:25 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: Standard spelling with Shavian

Toggle Shavian

To my friends on the other side of the pond... What's a pence table?

--Still Evil Star

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----- Original Message ----
From: dshep <dshep@...>
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:41:38 AM
Subject: [shawalphabet] Re: Standard spelling with Shavian

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From: James Vipond <jvipond@...>
Date: 2007-05-18 16:01:00 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: Standard spelling with Shavian

Toggle Shavian

On 2007 May 18, at 10:56 am, Star Raven wrote:

> To my friends on the other side of the pond... What's a pence table?
>
> --Still Evil Star

I've never heard the term before, but I think it was a currency table
children had to learn before the United Kingdom and Ireland adopted
decimal currency in February 1971. The following article provides
some information, but needs external references:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_Day

From: "bethany adison" <beth.an@...>
Date: 2007-05-18 18:20:39 #
Subject: wind/mind

Toggle Shavian

hIr iz somTiN abQt 19T sencuri pOetri HAt hAz YlwEz mistifFd mI: wF did
HE jMz wOrdz HAt lUkd Az HO HE SUd hAv rFmd, but did not? fOr ekzAmpel:

/rAlf wYldO emerson rOt: "Az god

H wOrd untM H profet spOken

waz rit on tEbelz jet unbrOken;

stil flOts upon H mOrniN wind,

stil wisperz t H wiliN mFnd.

F understAnd H kupeliN v H wOrdz "spOken" n "unbrOken", but wF duz hI
jMz H wOrd "wind" in relASon t H wOrd "mFnd"?

______________ b.A.

811emer`

From: RSRICHMOND@...
Date: 2007-05-18 22:24:34 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] wind/mind

Toggle Shavian

This is an "eye rime", and an oft-used one. Emerson is echoing a well known poem by John Donne whose first verse is

Go, and catch a falling star,
Get with child a mandrake root
Tell me, where all past years are,
Or who cleft the Devil’s foot,
Teach me to hear mermaids singing,
Or to keep off envy’s stinging,
And find
What wind
Serves to advance an honest mind.

Bob Richmond
Knoxville TN

-----Original Message-----
From: beth.an@...
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 18 May 2007 2:18 PM
Subject: [shawalphabet] wind/mind

hIr iz somTiN abQt 19T sencuri pOetri HAt hAz YlwEz mistifFd mI: wF did HE jMz wOrdz HAt lUkd Az HO HE SUd hAv rFmd, but did not? fOr ekzAmpel: /rAlf wYldO emerson rOt: "Az god H wOrd untM H profet spOken waz rit on tEbelz jet unbrOken; stil flOts upon H mOrniN wind, stil wisperz t H wiliN mFnd. F understAnd H kupeliN v H wOrdz "spOken" n "unbrOken", but wF duz hI jMz H wOrd "wind" in relASon t H wOrd "mFnd"? ______________ b.A. 811emer`
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From: dshep <dshep@...>
Date: 2007-05-21 03:32:57 #
Subject: re: standard spelling with shavian

Toggle Shavian

--- Star Raven wrote:

> wow! check it out! right at the beginning it
> states the need for a /wh/ or /hw/ sound...
> did KR forget?

He either forgot in the heat of the competition or deliberately
discounted Shaw’s explicit wish. Shaw apparently used these cards to
answer his considerable correspondence; so it should be fairly
certain Read knew Shaw’s intentions; also Read met Shaw before his
death. It’s a pity because the whine/wine, which/witch, whit/wit
couplet would have fit in perfectly with Read’s organizational scheme
of arrangement by related pairs.

The OED of his day has \hw\ in all the relevant pronunciations, but
perhaps he too was a “disregarder” (sorry Paul – just poking fun). I
suspect he chose instead to follow the lead of the “English
Pronouncing Dictionary”. a guidebook devised mostly for the
convenience of foreigners learning English in which only narrow RP is
presented, perhaps for simplicity’s sake.

Those of you who had to read Beowulf in school may recall the opening
word: hwæt!

hwæt indeed,
dshep

From: "dshepx" <dshep@...>
Date: 2007-05-21 03:51:00 #
Subject: Re: standard spelling with shavian

Toggle Shavian

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, dshep <dshep@...> wrote:
>
> Shaw's explicit wish. Shaw's intentions. It's. simplicity's

For some reason Yahoo no longer shows the possesive,
as in Shaw apostrophe s; it apostrophe s. simplicity apostrophe s
At least not on my browser.

> (sorry Paul – just poking fun).

This should have been a dash.

>"English Pronouncing Dictionary".

These should have been quotes.

> Those of you who had to read Beowulf in school may recall the opening
> word: hwæt!
>
> hwæt indeed,

And of course this should have been hw\anglo-saxon letter ae\t
Why do these things happen? Why can one press a key yet not get
the intended result at the other end? What am I doing wrong?

curiously,
dhsep

From: dshep <dshep@...>
Date: 2007-05-21 04:28:56 #
Subject: re: standard spelling with shavian

Toggle Shavian

This a test is a test message with the keyboard changed to unicode
(to see if that makes any difference)

— it’s “hwæt” —

From: Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...>
Date: 2007-05-21 16:00:17 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian

Toggle Shavian

Turned out fine on this end.

--Star

==========
"Oh, how awful. Did he at least die painlessly? To shreds, you say. Well, how is his wife holding up? To shreds, you say."
--Professor Hubert Farnsworth, Futurama

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----- Original Message ----
From: dshepx <dshep@...>
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:49:20 PM
Subject: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian

--- In shawalphabet@ yahoogroups. com, dshep <dshep@...> wrote:

>

> Shaw's explicit wish. Shaw's intentions. It's. simplicity's

For some reason Yahoo no longer shows the possesive,

as in Shaw apostrophe s; it apostrophe s. simplicity apostrophe s

At least not on my browser.

> (sorry Paul – just poking fun).

This should have been a dash.

>"English Pronouncing Dictionary".

These should have been quotes.

> Those of you who had to read Beowulf in school may recall the opening

> word: hwæt!

>

> hwæt indeed,

And of course this should have been hw\anglo-saxon letter ae\t

Why do these things happen? Why can one press a key yet not get

the intended result at the other end? What am I doing wrong?

curiously,

dhsep



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From: "paul vandenbrink" <pvandenbrink11@...>
Date: 2007-05-21 17:54:25 #
Subject: Re: standard spelling with shavian

Toggle Shavian

Hi Star
The Gall of it all!
The worst is done. Here's hoping for a full recovery.
Take it easy. I hear if you lose your gall bladder
you have to give up Meat and other fatty food.
As a vegitarian myself let me assure a whole new world
opens up to you, when you become a vegitarian.
It is a bit twisted and bare, and you won't believe
the variety of conversations about Brown rice.
But enuf said. Let me just say one word. Zantac.
Regards, Paul V.
___________________________attached________________

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Star Raven
<celestraof12worlds@...> wrote:
>
> You see? Tinkering isn't always the answer, we are the few and
faithful who believe that Shavian is a better alternative to
the "broken" TO. We have to believe that it's not broken itself.
>
> If thy gallbladder offends thee, cut it out.
> --Star, who is now recovering from an offending gallbladder.
>
> ==========
>
> "Oh, how awful. Did he at least die painlessly? To shreds, you
say. Well, how is his wife holding up? To shreds, you say."
> --Professor Hubert Farnsworth,
Futurama
>
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/wodentoad
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Paige Gabhart <pgabhart@...>
> To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 7, 2007 10:51:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian
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>
>
> Your comment regarding Read tinkering with the alphabets to turn
them
>
> into a "personal shorthand" seems off the mark to me. Do you view
>
> Shavian as a personal shorthand? While Quikscript may be faster
to
>
> write than Shavian because it is easy to connect letters to each
other
>
> that does not give it the characteristics of a successful
shorthand --
>
> i.e. the ability to take down spoken speech at normal speeds..
Read's
>
> last alphabet, which reverted to Roman letters, certainly was not
a
>
> shorthand.
>
>
>
> Paige
>
>
>
> paul vandenbrink wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> > Regards, Paul V.
>
> > P.S. as to your last question about Kingsley Read, I expect that
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>
> > he made more and more use of each of the different versions of
the
>
> > Alphabets, he attempted to refine the structure, to make it more
>
> > easy to use as a personal Shorthand.
>
> > Unfortunately as a result, his constant tinkering tends to weaken
>
> > the obvious benefits of his original Shavian Alphabet.
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From: Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...>
Date: 2007-05-21 19:30:31 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian

Toggle Shavian

Nope, no diet change. I went back to fast food within a week. I just no longer have the mechanism for indigestion, instead, I should get diarrhea, but I haven't tested that theory yet. I love meat too much to be a vegetarian, and save for two titanium staples where a major vessel and my cystic duct used to be, I'm just the same as ever. Man, I love laporoscopy!

--Star

========="Oh, how awful. Did he at least die painlessly? To shreds, you say. Well, how is his wife holding up? To shreds, you say."
--Professor Hubert Farnsworth, Futurama

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----- Original Message ----
From: paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...>
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:50:35 PM
Subject: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian

Hi Star

The Gall of it all!

The worst is done. Here's hoping for a full recovery.

Take it easy. I hear if you lose your gall bladder

you have to give up Meat and other fatty food.

As a vegitarian myself let me assure a whole new world

opens up to you, when you become a vegitarian.

It is a bit twisted and bare, and you won't believe

the variety of conversations about Brown rice.

But enuf said. Let me just say one word. Zantac.

Regards, Paul V.

____________ _________ ______attached_ _________ ______

--- In shawalphabet@ yahoogroups. com, Star Raven

<celestraof12worlds @...> wrote:

>

> You see? Tinkering isn't always the answer, we are the few and

faithful who believe that Shavian is a better alternative to

the "broken" TO. We have to believe that it's not broken itself.

>

> If thy gallbladder offends thee, cut it out.

> --Star, who is now recovering from an offending gallbladder.

>

> =========
>

> "Oh, how awful. Did he at least die painlessly? To shreds, you

say. Well, how is his wife holding up? To shreds, you say."

> --Professor Hubert Farnsworth,

Futurama

>

> http://www.livejour nal.com/users/ wodentoad

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Paige Gabhart <pgabhart@.. .>

> To: shawalphabet@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Monday, May 7, 2007 10:51:18 AM

> Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Paul:

>

>

>

> Your comment regarding Read tinkering with the alphabets to turn

them

>

> into a "personal shorthand" seems off the mark to me. Do you view

>

> Shavian as a personal shorthand? While Quikscript may be faster

to

>

> write than Shavian because it is easy to connect letters to each

other

>

> that does not give it the characteristics of a successful

shorthand --

>

> i.e. the ability to take down spoken speech at normal speeds..

Read's

>

> last alphabet, which reverted to Roman letters, certainly was not

a

>

> shorthand.

>

>

>

> Paige

>

>

>

> paul vandenbrink wrote:

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Regards, Paul V.

>

> > P.S. as to your last question about Kingsley Read, I expect that

as

>

> > he made more and more use of each of the different versions of

the

>

> > Alphabets, he attempted to refine the structure, to make it more

>

> > easy to use as a personal Shorthand.

>

> > Unfortunately as a result, his constant tinkering tends to weaken

>

> > the obvious benefits of his original Shavian Alphabet.

>

> >

>

> > *

>

> > 1

>

> > New Files

>

> > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/shawalphab et/files;

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