Hi Star
Good to hear from you.
I don't see a problem in using newer forms of the name, that sound
closer to its actual original pronunciation, especially if it is
marked with
a Namer dot so I know it could be a foreign name.
However as a lot of Americans and Canadians are not familar with the
real pronunciation,
It would be nice to have a Dictionary of Names in Shavian, so we
could find the Roman Name for Googling.
It would look something like this.
/bEjiN -> Beijing -> Peking
/pXI -> Parie -> Paris
/ATInA -> Athena -> Athens
/mFynmR -> Myanmar -> Burma
/nedDlAndz -> Netherlands -> Holland
/srI /lANkA -> Sri Lanka -> Ceylon (This Roman Transliteration is
really off)
/wVDstD -> Worchester
/cestD -> Chester
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. As for Abbreviations written in Shavian, we have not
come to any kind of consensus on how to do it.
So better left unsaid.
Mum's the word.
_______________________attached_______________________-
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Star Raven
<celestraof12worlds@...> wrote:
>
> In math it is quite common to use the greek alphabet to represent
characters. X can still be x OR we could say (chi) which looks like
an x. In the mentioned examples, it proves nothing. X-ray could be
Chi-ray or still x-ray, and the words could contain the proper
shavian equivalent. You can't tell me that you thing the English
spelling of "Iraq" is any different from our spelling of Beijing, or
Myanmar. These aren't English words, just transliterated. As for
Worchester, (a city in England and in America) is pronounced "WOOH-
ster" But through incorrect pronunciation, or, for instance, a man
named "Chester" you would simply use the (church) letter. CIA, which
stands for the Central Intelligence Agency, would then be come So-If-
Age or the Ess-(short i)-(long a) depending on what we call the
letters in the end. So, respectfully, I must disagree.
>
> --Star
>
> ==========
>
> "By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, you shall be
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> -- Dr. Lazarus, Galaxy Quest
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: paul vandenbrink <vandenbrinkg@...>
> To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 5:45:20 AM
> Subject: [shawalphabet] Regular English Transcriptions Embedded in
Shavian
>
> Hi Jeff
> I kind of agree with you. I don't think we should add the
> letters C, Q or X into the Shavian Alphabet. But there should be a
> way we can indicate these letters using the existing Shavian
Letters,
> for Names or Acronyms or Abbreviations, where they might still be
> usedful.
> Suppose we want to talk about the X in the equation, where X
> represents the unknown value we are trying to solve the equation
for.
> I am sure eventually there will be Shaw Equivalent for that word,
> but right now it is still convenient to spell the odd odd word in
> Roman Alphabet format.
> And it quite inconveniant to use 2 differrent Alphabets, in the
same
> written sentance for a lot of reasons.
>
> Let me give you some examples of a possible solution.
> worchester sauce
> wOr?hester sys
> Quinton
> /?uintOn
> X-ray
> ?rAy
> Iraq
> /IrA?
> Q.E.D.
> /?.E.D.
> mind your P's and Q's
> mInd your p's and ?'s
> CIA
> ?IA
>
> As Q and X are so rare, I am quite willing to forgo providing an
> single equivalent Shavian Letter for each of them. I doubt if
anyone
> would notice, since they are only found in a handful of English
> words, anyway.
> But what about the Roman letter C. It is all over the place.
>
> Perhaps, we can create a new symbol, which only represents any
> Consonant sound not normally found in English Pronunciation.
> A variable Consonant Letter. We could use it to represent any or
all
> 3 of C, Q and X. For arguement sake we could use a Question mark.
> Usually it would just represent the letter C.
>
> P.S. By the way, I pronounce xylophone and xenaphobia as zFlafOn
and
> zenafObIa, respectively.
> --- In shawalphabet@ yahoogroups. com, jeff <akousw@> wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday 2008 April 13 09:00:02 paul vandenbrink wrote:
> > > Anyway, I believe it would be useful to present a system to map
> > > Traditional Roman spelling on to the Shavian letters. I have
> already
> > > made up such a system for and an Expanded Shaw Alphabet.
> > > Personally, I don't like going back and forth between differnt
> fonts.
> > >
> > > The Letters C, Q, and X were the main Roman letters without
> Shavian
> > > Equivalents.
> > > But I think we should also come up with a Roman or Latin
> Sign/Symbol
> > > that we can use like the Namer Dot to mark each of the words
> written
> > > this way as being not written according to the normal Shavian
> > > Pronunciation standard.
> > > This will prevent Chaos.
> ____________ _____attached_ _________ _________ _________ ____
> >
> > F wUd bI vXI intrested in sIiN jP ekstindid SYvWn Alfabet. ylHO
F
> kwescun H nId v Q. C iz sumTiN F kud OnlI sI a nId fP wiH kumpVtD
> lEngwiJez lFk C++. Q iz, imhO, OnlI Vsfal fP semitik lEngwiJez
> lFk /hIbrM n /Xabik, wXin H 2 sQndz AkcVlI mEk a difrens. in
> IngliS, HE R lRglI H sEm. in fAkt, Iven X iz lRJlI unesisXI Az
wel:
> it iz FHD 'gz' P 'ks,' Az /rId nOts win intrOdMsiN HOz letDz in
> hiz /kwikskript. F Am not tOtalI aginst cEnJIN P rIvFzIN /SYvWn,
> but F fIl vXI stroNlI (Az mE bI gest) HAt H kIpIN Ha Alfabet H sEm
> sO HAt AnI nM vxZin is stil esinSalI H sEm Az H PiJinal. if H
> Alfabet iz t bI updEted wiHQt substAnSil cEnJiz (lFk F kAn rId H
nM
> vxZin Az HO it bI H Old vxZin.)
> >
> > F Am not Sx HAt An ekspAnded /SY iz H best wE t gO. F Am TINkIN
> mP v trAnskripSun, wic bF definiSan duzn't intrOdMs nM kXiktDz,
but
> rAHD Vziz letDz Amd dFgrAfs (mEbI) in H Alfabet t reprIzent H fPmz
> in H trAnzkrFbd Alfabet. lFk, H wUd bI reprezentid bF 'ks' evrI
tFm
> it akxz: ekselent, ksFlophone, ...
> >
>
>
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