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/JIzus did not kliN t fET in god Az wUd a strugliN sOl At war wiH H
jMnivers n At deT grips wiH a hostil n sinful wOrld; hI did not rezOrt t
fET mIrli Az a konsolESon in H midst v difikultIz Or Az a komfOrt in
Tretend dispEr; fET waz not Just An ilMsOri kompensESon fOr unplezAnt
reAlitIz n H sorOz v liviN.

...





196:0.3

Jesús no se aferró a la fe en Dios así como lo haría un alma
en guerra con el universo y en lucha de muerte con un mundo hostil y
pecaminoso; no recurrió a la fe como simple consuelo cuando estaba
plagado de dificultades ni como alivio cuando lo amenazaba la
desesperanza; su fe no fue tan sólo una compensación ilusoria de
las realidades desagradables y de las congojas del vivir.



Jesus did not cling to faith in God as would a struggling soul at war
with the universe and at death grips with a hostile and sinful world; he
did not resort to faith merely as a consolation in the midst of
difficulties or as a comfort in threatened despair; faith was not just
an illusory compensation for the unpleasant realities and the sorrows of
living.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~460 meN

On Saturday 23 August 2008 08:54:37 Ethan wrote:
> As a test, if KDE is working properly, you should see one (1) box on the
> following line:
> 𐑐
> If you see anything other than a single box or the letter Peep, then you
> need to use something other than a KDE app.  I


On KDE3.5, I either see nothing or 2 boxes, but in KDE4, I actually see peep.
I think the deal is that KDE uses some antiquated foundation library, but is
upgrading to the current (as in not '90's) version, so I should only have to
wait 'til January for plane 1 support (and I can play with KDE 4 apps 'til
then=)

jeff wrote:
> On Saturday 23 August 2008 08:54:37 Ethan wrote:
>> As a test, if KDE is working properly, you should see one (1) box on the
>> following line:
>> 𐑐
>> If you see anything other than a single box or the letter Peep, then you
>> need to use something other than a KDE app. I
>
>
> On KDE3.5, I either see nothing or 2 boxes, but in KDE4, I actually see peep.
> I think the deal is that KDE uses some antiquated foundation library, but is
> upgrading to the current (as in not '90's) version, so I should only have to
> wait 'til January for plane 1 support (and I can play with KDE 4 apps 'til
> then=)

That's good to know. I had all but given up on KDE ever getting proper
Unicode support. So now you can use GTK2/Gnome and KDE4 apps with
Shavian. Unfortunately, last I knew Mozilla apps won't let you write in
Shavian, so you have to use an editor that works and copy and paste into
your Mozilla-based app. I actually filed a bug report on that back in
2005, but they are slow...

--
('> He shall cover thee with his feathers, <')
/)) and under his wings shalt thou trust: ((\
//'' his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. ''\\

Akt 3d:

mis FnsfOrd hil: [hM konsiderz /higinz kwFt eliJibel mAtrimOniali] F
simpATFz.

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F hAvent Ani smYl tYk. if pIpel wUd Onli bI frAnk n sE wat HE rIli TiNk!

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higinz: [relApsiN intM glMm] lOrd fOrbid!

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misez FnsfOrd hil: [tEkiN up her dYter'z kjM] but wF?

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higinz: wat HE TiNk HE Yt t TiNk iz bAd enuf, lOrd nOz; but wat HE rIli
TiNk wUd brEk up H hOl SO.

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dM jM supOz it wUd bI rIli agrIabel if F wer t kom Qt nQ wiH wat F rIli
TiNk?

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mis FnsfOrd hil: [gEli] iz it sO veri sinikal?

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higinz: sinikal! hM H dikenz sed it waz sinikal? F mIn it wUdent bI
dIsent

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misez FnsfOrd hil: [sIriusli] O! Fm Sur jM dOnt mIn HAt, mister higinz.

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higinz: jM sI, wI'r Yl sAvaJez, mOr Or les.

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wI'r supOzd t bI sivilFzd n kulcurd--t nO Yl abQt pOetri n filosofi n Rt
n sFens, n sO on; but hQ mAni v us Iven nO H mIniNz v HIz nEmz?

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[t mis hil.] wat dM jM nO v pOetri?

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[t misez hil] wat dM jM nO v sFens?

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[indikEtiN /fredi] wat duz hI nO v Rt Or sFens Or AniTiN els?

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wat H devil dM jM imAJin F nO v filosofi?

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misez higinz: [wOrniNli] Or v mAnerz, /henri?

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H pRlOr-mEd: [OpeniN H dOr] mis /dMlitel. [SI wiHdrYz].

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higinz: [rFziN hEstili n runiN t misez higinz] hIr SI iz, moHer. [hI
stAndz on tiptO n mEks sFnz Over hiz moHer'z hed t /elFza t indikEt t
her wic lEdi iz her hOstes].

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/elFza, hM iz ekskwizitli dresd, prodMsez An impreSon v suc remRkabel
distiNkSon n bjMti Az SI enterz HAt HE Yl rFz, kwFt flusterd.

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gFded bF /higinz'z signalz, SI komz t misez higinz wiH studId grEs.

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lFza: [spIkiN wiH pedAntik kOrektnes v prOnunsiESon n grEt bjMti v tOn]
hQ dM jM dM, misez higinz?

...

[SI gAsps slFtli in mEkiN Sur v H

\h\ in /higinz, but iz kwFt suksesful]

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mister higinz tOld mI F mFt kom.

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misez higinz: [kOrdjali] kwFt rFt; Fm veri glAd indId t sI jM.

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pikeriN: hQ dM jM dM, mis /dMlitel?

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lFza: [SEkiN hAndz wiH him] /kernal pikeriN, iz it not?

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misez FnsfOrd hil: F fIl Sur wI hAv met befOr, mis /dMlitel. F remember
jUr Fz.

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lFza: hQ dM jM dM? [SI sits dQn on H otomAn grEsfuli in H plEs Just left
vEkAnt bF /higinz]

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misez FnsfOrd hil: [introdMsiN] mF dYter /klara.

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lFza: hQ dM jM dM?

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klara: [impulsivli] hQ dM jM dM?

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[SI sits dQn on H otomAn besFd /elFza, devQuriN her wiH her Fz].

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fredi: [komiN t HEr sFd v H otomAn] Fv sertAnli hAd H pleZur.

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misez FnsfOrd hil: [introdMsiN] mF son fredi.

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lFza: hQ dM jM dM?

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fredi bQz n sits dQn in H /elizabITAn cEr, infAcMEted.

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higinz: [sudenli] bF JOrJ, jes: it Yl komz bAk t mI! [HE stEr At him].

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/kOvent gRden! [lamentabli] wat a dAmd TiN!

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misez higinz: henri, plIz! [hI iz abQt t sit on H eJ v H tEbel].

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dOnt sit on mF rFtiN tEbel: jMl brEk it.

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higinz: [sulkili] sori.

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hI gOz t H divAn, stumbliN intM H fender n Over H fFr-Fernz on hiz wE;
ekstrikEtiN himself wiH muterd imprekESonz; n finiSiN hiz disAstrus
Jurni bF TrOiN himself sO impESentli on H divAn HAt hI YlmOst brEks it.

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misez higinz lUks At him, but kontrOlz herself n sez noTiN.

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a loN n pEnful pYz ensMz.

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misez higinz: [At lAst, konversESonali] wil it rEn, dM jM TiNk?

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lFza: H SAlO depreSon in H west v HIz FlAndz iz lFkli t mMv slOli in An
Isterli direkSon.

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Her R nO indikESonz v Ani grEt cEnJ in H barOmetrikal sitjMESon.

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fredi: hy! hy! hQ Yfuli funi!

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lFza: wat iz roN wiH HAt, juN mAn? F bet F got it rFt.

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fredi: kiliN!

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misez FnsfOrd hil: Fm Sur F hOp it wOnt turn kOld.

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Herz sO muc inflMenza abQt.

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it runz rFt TrM Qer hOl fAmili regjMlarli everi spriN.

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lFza: [dRkli] mF ynt dFd v inflMenza: sO HE sed.

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misez FnsfOrd hil: [kliks her tuN simpATetikali]!!!

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lFza: [in H sEm trAJik tOn] but its mF belIf HE dun H Old wUmAn in.

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misez higinz: [puzeld] dun her in?

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lFza: j-e-e-e-es. lOrd lov jM! wF SUd SI dF v inflMenza?

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SI kom TrM difTeria rFt enuf H jIr beOr.

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F sY her wiH mF On Fz. fErli blM wiH it, SI waz.

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HE Yl TYt SI waz ded; but mF foHer hI kept lEdeliN Jin dQn her TrOt til
SI kEm tM sO suden HAt SI bit H bOl Yf H spMn.

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misez FnsfOrd hil: [stRteld] dIr mI!

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lFza: [pFliN up H indFtment] wat kYl wUd a wUmAn wiH HAt streNT in her
hAv t dF v inflMenza?

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wat bekom v her nM strY hAt HAt SUd hAv kom t mI?

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sombodi pincd it; n wat F sE iz, Hem Az pincd it dun her in.

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misez FnsfOrd hil: wat duz dMiN her in mIn?

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higinz: [hEstili] O, HAts H nM smYl tYk. t dM a person in mInz t kil
Hem.

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misez FnsfOrd hil: [t /elFza, hOrifFd] jM Surli dOnt belIv HAt jUr ynt
waz kild?

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lFza: dM F not! Hem SI livd wiH wUd hAv kild her fOr a hAt-pin, let alOn
a hAt.

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misez FnsfOrd hil: but it kAnt hAv ben rFt fOr jUr foHer t pOr spirits
dQn her TrOt lFk HAt.

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it mFt hAv kild her.

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lFza: not her. Jin waz moHer'z milk t her.

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besFdz, hI'd pOrd sO muc dQn hiz On TrOt HAt hI nM H gUd v it.

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misez FnzfOr hil: dM jM mIn HAt hI drANk?

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lFza: drANk! mF wOrd! somTiN kronik.

......................... /beTAni.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~end ov Akt 3d

fET 0:4

in H veri fEs v Yl H nAcural difikultIz n H tempOral kontradikSonz v
mOrtal egzistens, hI eksperiensd H trAnkwiliti v suprIm n unkwescond
trust in god n felt H tremendus Tril v liviN, bF fET, in H veri prezens
v H hevenli foHer.

...

m His trFumfAnt fET waz a liviN eksperiens v AkcMal spirit atEnment.

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/JIzus' grEt kontribjMSon t H vAljMz v hjMmAn eksperiens waz not HAt hI
revIld sO mAni nM FdIaz abQt H foHer in heven but rAHer HAt hI sO
mAgnifisentli n hjMmAnli demonstrEted a nM n hFer tFp v liviN fET in
god.

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never on Yl H wOrldz v His jMnivers, in H lFf v Ani won mOrtal, did god
ever bekom suc a liviN reAliti Az in H hjMmAn eksperiens v /JIzus v
/nAzareT.

...K.

``````````````` meN

I write as a Shaw admirer who has only discovered this group late in
the day (I don't recall reference to it by the ISS).

I am a member of the http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GBShaw_and_Friends/
which is apparently defunct. I am not particularly an aficionado of
the Alphabet, though curious, but I and Barbara Pfeifer have set up an
occasional journal of Shaw studies called Shavings, at
www.oscholars.com. We are happy to add names to our e-mailing list for
alerts to new issues. We also have a yahoo group,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oscholarship/.

I look forward to learning more about GBS.

D C Rose

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 15:17, D C Rose <musardant@...> wrote:
> I write as a Shaw admirer who has only discovered this group late in
> the day (I don't recall reference to it by the ISS).

Welcome!

> I look forward to learning more about GBS.

I'm afraid you'll probably find little discussion of GBS himself on
this list; the predominant topic is the Shaw alphabet, typically
without reference to Shaw himself (or even Kingsley Read or others
involved in it).

Cheers,
--
Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>

I've been considering how to use Shavian in a desktop environment such
as GNOME, and I wrote up my findings as a web page:

http://marnanel.org/shavian/shavian-in-gnome

Thomas

--
Thomas Thurman, tthurman at gnome, http://blogs.gnome.org/tthurman
Nothing happens.

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Thurman wrote:
>
> I've been considering how to use Shavian in a desktop environment
such as GNOME, and I wrote up my findings as a web page:
>
> http://marnanel.org/shavian/shavian-in-gnome

Thomas,

Very nice! But I *hate* your page heading, viz.:
"(ð`œ)ð`¯ð`´ð`¥ ð`¦ð`¯ ð`ž ·ð`–ð`±ð`ð`³ð`¯ ð`©ð`¤ð`"ð`³ð`šð`§ð``
or
Doing apparently silly things in GNOME
which might actually prove useful"
It made me run around trying different encodings to get rid of all
those empty square boxes - only to discover that you had indeed used
UTF-8, which is how IE originally displayed it to me - and that NO
available encoding made the boxes readable. Grrr!

Your little jokes aside - thanks for the reference to ConScript
(link: http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/). It was also amusing
to follow their link to the Unicode range U+10450-U+1047F (link:
http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U10450.pdf) where I discovered that
the Shavian Letter NUN is a ... Vowel!

Regards,
Yahya

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 17:08, Yahya <yahya@...> wrote:
> It made me run around trying different encodings to get rid of all
> those empty square boxes - only to discover that you had indeed used
> UTF-8, which is how IE originally displayed it to me - and that NO
> available encoding made the boxes readable. Grrr!

I think that reflects more on IE's (or your fonts', or your OS's)
support for Plane 1 characters than on the web page.

Cheers,
--
Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>