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/SY versus /SEkspIr

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wiH H siNgel eksepSon v /hOmer, Her iz nO eminent rFter, not Iven sir
/wYlter skot, hMm F kAn despFz sO entFrli Az F despFz /SEkspIr wen F
meZur mF mFnd aganst hiz. ... H intensiti v mF impESens wiH him
okEZonali rIcez suc pic, HAt it wUd pozitivli bI a relIf t mI t dig him
up n TrO stOnz At him, nOiN Az F dM, hQ inkEpabel hI n hiz wOrSiperz R v
understAndiN Ani les obvius fOrm v indigniti. --/bernard SY.
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/berni n /winston


riten ekscEnJ betwIn H FriS plErFt n H fjMcur prFm minister. /SY enklOzd
2 tikets:

briN a frend if jM hAv won.

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/curchil returnd H tikets, rekwestiN Hem fOr H sekond perfOrmAns:

if Her iz won.

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Dear all,

I use evolution as my e-mail reader on Linux and was just wondering how
I can read the e-mails from this group in a Shavian script - I have
Unicode support etc and Shavian fonts in the system.

I just get tired of copying and pasting the text into open office and
changing the font.

John "There must be an easier way" Warner

John Warner wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I use evolution as my e-mail reader on Linux and was just wondering how
> I can read the e-mails from this group in a Shavian script - I have
> Unicode support etc and Shavian fonts in the system.
>
> I just get tired of copying and pasting the text into open office and
> changing the font.
>
> John "There must be an easier way" Warner

Perhaps you already have what you need to make it work? If so, then you
should be able to read the text below.

𐑐𐑼𐑣𐑨𐑐𐑕 𐑿 𐑷𐑤𐑮𐑧𐑛𐑰 𐑣𐑨𐑝 𐑣𐑢𐑳𐑑 𐑿 𐑯𐑰𐑛 𐑑 𐑥𐑱𐑒 𐑦𐑑
𐑢𐑻𐑒? 𐑦𐑓 𐑕𐑴, 𐑞𐑧𐑯 𐑿 𐑖𐑫𐑛 𐑚𐑰 𐑱𐑚𐑤 𐑑 𐑮𐑰𐑛 𐑞𐑦𐑕
𐑑𐑧𐑒𐑕𐑑.

Personally, I long ago got tired of messing with all the junk that
requires pasting into another application and changing fonts. That's
not how computers are designed to work, and that's why we went to all
the trouble to get Shavian included in Unicode. So I for one would
greatly appreciate it if everyone would start using it! Linux works, I
believe I heard that Mac OS X works, I know Windows XP and newer work
(on XP you may have to change something in the registry to enable
Unicode surrogates, the instructions are on the web), and the fonts have
been available for years now. I posted a Shavian keymap for X windows
(xkb), and someone else has posted keymaps for Windows before.
Everybody should be using Unicode!

I'm willing to offer my assistance to anybody who needs it to get
started. But I am no longer willing to copy and paste scrambled ASCII
and change fonts to read it.

--
('> He shall cover thee with his feathers, <')
/)) and under his wings shalt thou trust: ((\
//'' his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. ''\\

I can read this e-mail as Shavian and Latin script fine and I have not
done anything with my system so what happened there?

Can I suggest some howtos for the files section?

How to enable Shavian/Unicode on M$ Windows XP, Vista etc.

How to write in Shavian in M$ Outlook etc.

How to write in Shavian on ....

Of course I haven't checked the files so they could be there already -
but it would be helpful for ordinary users to learn the techniques to
enable these things.

Just a thought,

John Warner

On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 02:07 -0400, Ethan wrote:

>
> 𐑐𐑼𐑣𐑨𐑐𐑕 𐑿 𐑷𐑤𐑮𐑧𐑛𐑰 𐑣𐑨𐑝 𐑣𐑢𐑳𐑑 𐑿 𐑯𐑰𐑛 𐑑 𐑥𐑱𐑒 𐑦𐑑
> 𐑢𐑻𐑒? 𐑦𐑓 𐑕𐑴, 𐑞𐑧𐑯 𐑿 𐑖𐑫𐑛 𐑚𐑰 𐑱𐑚𐑤 𐑑 𐑮𐑰𐑛 𐑞𐑦𐑕
> 𐑑𐑧𐑒𐑕𐑑.
>
> Personally, I long ago got tired of messing with all the junk that
> requires pasting into another application and changing fonts. That's
> not how computers are designed to work, and that's why we went to all
> the trouble to get Shavian included in Unicode. So I for one would
> greatly appreciate it if everyone would start using it! Linux works,
> I
> believe I heard that Mac OS X works, I know Windows XP and newer work
> (on XP you may have to change something in the registry to enable
> Unicode surrogates, the instructions are on the web), and the fonts
> have
> been available for years now. I posted a Shavian keymap for X windows
> (xkb), and someone else has posted keymaps for Windows before.
> Everybody should be using Unicode!
>
> I'm willing to offer my assistance to anybody who needs it to get
> started. But I am no longer willing to copy and paste scrambled ASCII
> and change fonts to read it.
>
> --
> ('> He shall cover thee with his feathers, <')
> /)) and under his wings shalt thou trust: ((\
> //'' his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. ''\\
>
>
>
>

John Warner wrote:
> I can read this e-mail as Shavian and Latin script fine and I have not
> done anything with my system so what happened there?
>
> Can I suggest some howtos for the files section?
>
> How to enable Shavian/Unicode on M$ Windows XP, Vista etc.
>
> How to write in Shavian in M$ Outlook etc.
>
> How to write in Shavian on ....
>
> Of course I haven't checked the files so they could be there already -
> but it would be helpful for ordinary users to learn the techniques to
> enable these things.
>
> Just a thought,
>
> John Warner

𐑲 𐑖𐑫𐑛 𐑑𐑱𐑒 𐑩 𐑤𐑫𐑒 𐑯 𐑕𐑰 𐑣𐑢𐑳𐑑 𐑦𐑟 𐑷𐑤𐑮𐑧𐑛𐑰 𐑞𐑺 (𐑸
𐑯𐑪𐑑 𐑞𐑺) 𐑯 𐑓𐑦𐑤 𐑦𐑯 𐑕𐑳𐑥 𐑝 𐑞 𐑜𐑨𐑐𐑕. 𐑢𐑰 𐑮𐑰𐑤𐑤𐑰
𐑯𐑰𐑛 𐑑 𐑧𐑙𐑒𐑻𐑩𐑡 𐑧𐑝𐑮𐑰𐑢𐑳𐑯 𐑑 𐑕𐑢𐑦𐑗 𐑑 𐑞 𐑐𐑮𐑪𐑐𐑼
𐑧𐑙𐑒𐑴𐑛𐑦𐑙, 𐑣𐑢𐑦𐑗 𐑓𐑹 𐑰𐑥𐑱𐑤 𐑦𐑟 UTF-8.

𐑕𐑽𐑾𐑕𐑤𐑰,
·𐑰𐑔𐑩𐑯 ·𐑤𐑨𐑥𐑩𐑮𐑴

--
('> He shall cover thee with his feathers, <')
/)) and under his wings shalt thou trust: ((\
//'' his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. ''\\

>
> On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 02:07 -0400, Ethan wrote:
>
>> 𐑐𐑼𐑣𐑨𐑐𐑕 𐑿 𐑷𐑤𐑮𐑧𐑛𐑰 𐑣𐑨𐑝 𐑣𐑢𐑳𐑑 𐑿 𐑯𐑰𐑛 𐑑 𐑥𐑱𐑒 𐑦𐑑
>> 𐑢𐑻𐑒? 𐑦𐑓 𐑕𐑴, 𐑞𐑧𐑯 𐑿 𐑖𐑫𐑛 𐑚𐑰 𐑱𐑚𐑤 𐑑 𐑮𐑰𐑛 𐑞𐑦𐑕
>> 𐑑𐑧𐑒𐑕𐑑.
>>
>> Personally, I long ago got tired of messing with all the junk that
>> requires pasting into another application and changing fonts. That's
>> not how computers are designed to work, and that's why we went to all
>> the trouble to get Shavian included in Unicode. So I for one would
>> greatly appreciate it if everyone would start using it! Linux works,
>> I
>> believe I heard that Mac OS X works, I know Windows XP and newer work
>> (on XP you may have to change something in the registry to enable
>> Unicode surrogates, the instructions are on the web), and the fonts
>> have
>> been available for years now. I posted a Shavian keymap for X windows
>> (xkb), and someone else has posted keymaps for Windows before.
>> Everybody should be using Unicode!
>>
>> I'm willing to offer my assistance to anybody who needs it to get
>> started. But I am no longer willing to copy and paste scrambled ASCII
>> and change fonts to read it.
>>
>> --
>> ('> He shall cover thee with his feathers, <')
>> /)) and under his wings shalt thou trust: ((\
>> //'' his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. ''\\

John Warner's Shavian text reads perfectly in the Web-based mail
client Gmail, running on a Mac under the latest Mac operating system
(Leopard). I can even enlarge the type big enough that my tired old
eyes can read it!

Now if I just knew how to type it!

Google along with this message sent me an ad for behnevis.com that
displays in Farsi - I guess it thinks Shavian is an Arabic alphabet!
Take a look at this Web site for a quite ingenious Roman-to-Arabic
alphabet Farsi converter.

Most of the Shavian posts on our list come through to me in Roman.
I've never been clear on what fonts I need to install. Let's hear it
for Unicode!

Bob Richmond
Knoxville TN
****************************************
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Ethan <ethan@ravenscall.net> wrote:
> John Warner wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I use evolution as my e-mail reader on Linux and was just wondering how
>> I can read the e-mails from this group in a Shavian script - I have
>> Unicode support etc and Shavian fonts in the system.
>>
>> I just get tired of copying and pasting the text into open office and
>> changing the font.
>>
>> John "There must be an easier way" Warner
>
> Perhaps you already have what you need to make it work? If so, then you
> should be able to read the text below.
>
> 𐑐𐑼𐑣𐑨𐑐𐑕 𐑿 𐑷𐑤𐑮𐑧𐑛𐑰 𐑣𐑨𐑝 𐑣𐑢𐑳𐑑 𐑿 𐑯𐑰𐑛 𐑑 𐑥𐑱𐑒 𐑦𐑑
> 𐑢𐑻𐑒? 𐑦𐑓 𐑕𐑴, 𐑞𐑧𐑯 𐑿 𐑖𐑫𐑛 𐑚𐑰 𐑱𐑚𐑤 𐑑 𐑮𐑰𐑛 𐑞𐑦𐑕
> 𐑑𐑧𐑒𐑕𐑑.
>
> Personally, I long ago got tired of messing with all the junk that
> requires pasting into another application and changing fonts. That's
> not how computers are designed to work, and that's why we went to all
> the trouble to get Shavian included in Unicode. So I for one would
> greatly appreciate it if everyone would start using it! Linux works, I
> believe I heard that Mac OS X works, I know Windows XP and newer work
> (on XP you may have to change something in the registry to enable
> Unicode surrogates, the instructions are on the web), and the fonts have
> been available for years now. I posted a Shavian keymap for X windows
> (xkb), and someone else has posted keymaps for Windows before.
> Everybody should be using Unicode!
>
> I'm willing to offer my assistance to anybody who needs it to get
> started. But I am no longer willing to copy and paste scrambled ASCII
> and change fonts to read it.
>
> --
> ('> He shall cover thee with his feathers, <')
> /)) and under his wings shalt thou trust: ((\
> //'' his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. ''\\
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

On Wednesday 20 August 2008 01:07:34 Ethan wrote:
> John Warner wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I use evolution as my e-mail reader on Linux and was just wondering how
> > I can read the e-mails from this group in a Shavian script - I have
> > Unicode support etc and Shavian fonts in the system.
> >
> > I just get tired of copying and pasting the text into open office and
> > changing the font.
> >
> > John "There must be an easier way" Warner
>
> Perhaps you already have what you need to make it work? If so, then you
> should be able to read the text below.
>
> 𐑐𐑼𐑣𐑨𐑐𐑕 𐑿 𐑷𐑤𐑮𐑧𐑛𐑰 𐑣𐑨𐑝 𐑣𐑢𐑳𐑑 𐑿 𐑯𐑰𐑛 𐑑 𐑥𐑱𐑒 𐑦𐑑
> 𐑢𐑻𐑒? 𐑦𐑓 𐑕𐑴, 𐑞𐑧𐑯 𐑿 𐑖𐑫𐑛 𐑚𐑰 𐑱𐑚𐑤 𐑑 𐑮𐑰𐑛 𐑞𐑦𐑕
> 𐑑𐑧𐑒𐑕𐑑.
>
> Personally, I long ago got tired of messing with all the junk that
> requires pasting into another application and changing fonts. That's
> not how computers are designed to work, and that's why we went to all
> the trouble to get Shavian included in Unicode. So I for one would
> greatly appreciate it if everyone would start using it! Linux works, I
> believe I heard that Mac OS X works, I know Windows XP and newer work
> (on XP you may have to change something in the registry to enable
> Unicode surrogates, the instructions are on the web), and the fonts have
> been available for years now. I posted a Shavian keymap for X windows
> (xkb), and someone else has posted keymaps for Windows before.
> Everybody should be using Unicode!
>
> I'm willing to offer my assistance to anybody who needs it to get
> started. But I am no longer willing to copy and paste scrambled ASCII
> and change fonts to read it.

I am using kmail on KDE, and what I see is a series of boxes with punctuation. What am I missing?

Akt 3 sI



pbtdkgfvTH

szSZcJjwNh

lrmniIeEAF

auoOUMQqyY

higinz: SI'z komiN t sI jM.

misez higinz: F dOnt remember AskiN her.

higinz: jM didnt. F Askd her. if jM'd nOn her jM wUdent hAv Askd her.

misez higinz: indId! wF?

higinz: wel, its lFk His. SIz a komon flQer girl. F pikd her Yf H
kerkstOn.

misez higinz: n invFted her t mF At-hOm!

higinz: [rFziN n komiN t her t kOks her]

O, HAt'l bI Yl rFt.

F'v tYt her t spIk properli; n SI hAz strikt Orderz Az t her behEviOr.

SI'z t kIp t 2 subJekts: H weHer n everibodI'z helT--fFn dE n hQ dM jM
dM, jM nO--n not t let herself gO on TiNz in Jeneral. HAt wil bI sEf.

misez higinz: sEf! t tYk abQt Qr helT! abQt Qr insFdz! perhaps abQt Qr
QtsFdz!

hQ kUd jM bI sO sili, /henri?

higinz: [impESentli] wel, SI must tYk abQt somTiN.

[hI kontrOlz himself n sits dQn agAn]. O, SI'l bI Yl rFt: dOnt jM fus.

/pikeriN iz in it wiH mI.

Fv a sOrt v bet on HAt Fl pAs her Yf Az a duces in 6 monTs.

F stRted on her som monTs agO; n SIz getiN on lFk a hQs on fFr.

F SAl win mF bet. SI hAz a kwik Ir; n SIz ben Izier t tIc HAn mF
midel-klAs pjMpilz bekYz SIz hAd t lern a komplIt nM lANgwaJ.

SI tYks eNgliS YlmOst Az jM tYk /frenc.

misez higinz: HAts sAtisfAktOri, At Yl events.

higinz: wel, it iz n it izent.

misez higinz: wat duz HAt mIn?

higinz: jM sI, Fv got her pronunsiESon Yl rFt; but jM hAv t konsider not
Onli hQ a girl pronQnsez, but wat SI pronQnsez; n HAts wEr--

HE R interupted bF H pRlOr-mEd, anQnsiN gests.

H pRlOr-mEd: mizez n mis /FnzfOrd hil. [SI wiHdrYz].

higinz: O lOrd! [hI rFzez; snAcez hiz hAt from H tEbel; n mEks fOr H
dOr; but befOr hI rIcez it hiz moHer introdMsez him].

misez n mis /FnsfOrd /hil R H moHer n dYter hM Selterd from H rEn in
/kOvent gRden.

H moHer iz wel bred, kwFet, n hAz H hAbicMal ANzFeti v strEtend mInz.

H dYter hAz akwFrd a gE Er v bIiN veri muc At hOm in sosFeti: H bravodO
v JentIl poverti.

misez FnsfOrd hil: [t misez higinz] hQ dM jM dM? [HE SEk hAndz].

misez higinz [introdMsiN] mF son /henri.

misez FnsfOrd hil: jUr selebrEted son! F hAv sO loNd t mIt jM, profesOr
higinz.

higinz: [glumli, mEkiN nO mMvment in her direkSon] delFted. [hI bAks
agAnst H piAnO n bQz bruskli].

mis FnsfOrd hil [gOiN t him wiH konfident familiEriti] hQ dM jM dM?

higomnz: [stEriN At her] Fv sIn jM befOr somwEr. F hAvent H gOst v a
nOSon wEr: but Fv herd jUr vqs. [drIrili] it duzent mAter. jMd beter sit
dQn.

misez higinz: Fm sRi t sE HAt mF selebrEted son hAz nO mAnerz. jM musent
mFnd him.

mis FnsfOrd hil: [gEli] F dOnt. [SI sits in H /elizabITAn cEr].

misez FsnsfOrd hil: [a litel bewilderd] not At Yl. [SI sits on H otoman
betwIn her dYter n misez higinz, hM hAz turnd her cEr awE from H rFtiN
tEbel.

higinz: O, hAv F ben rMd? F dident mIn t bI.

hI gOz t H sentral windO, TrM wic, wiH hiz bAk t H kompani, hI
kontemplEts H river n H flQerz in /bAtersI pRk on H opozit bANk Az if HE
wer a frOzen dazert.

H pRlOr-mEd returnz, uSeriN in /pikeriN.

H pRlOr-mEd: kernal /pikeriN [SI wiHdrYz].

pikeriN: hQ dM jM dM, misez higinz?

misez higinz: sO glAd jM'v kom. dM jM nO misez /FnsfOrd hil--mis FnsfOrd
hil?

[ekscEnJ v bQz. H kernel briNz H /cipendEl cEr a litel fOrwRd betwIn
misez hil n misez higinz, n sits dQn].

pikeriN: hAz /henri tOld jM wat wI'v kom fOr?

higinz: [Over hiz SOlder] wI wer interupted: dAm it!

misez higinz: O /henri, henri, rIli!

misez FnsfOrd hil: [hAf rFziN] R wI in H wE?

misez higinz: [rFziN n mEkiN her sit dQn agAn]

nO, nO. jM kudent hAv kom mOr fOrcMnutli: wI wynt jM t mIt a frend v
Qrz.

higinz: [turniN hOpfuli] jes, bF JOrJ! wI wont 2 or 3 pIpel.

jM'l dM Az wel Az Anibodi els.

H pRlOr-mEd returnz, uSeriN /fredi.

H pRlOr-mEd: mister /FnsfOrd hil.

higinz: [YlmOst Ydibli, pAst endurAns]

god v heven! AnoHer v Hem.

fredi: [SEkiN hAndz wiH misez higinz] odIdM?

misez higinz: veri gUd v jM t kom.

[introdMsiN] kernel /pikeriN.

fredi: [bQiN] odIdM?

misez higinz: F dOnt TiNk jM nO mF son, profesOr higinz.

fredi: [gOiN t higinz] odIdM?

higinz: [lUkiN At him muc Az if hI wer a pikpoket] F'l tEk mF OT F'v met
jM befOr somwEr. wEr waz it?

fredi: F dOnt TiNk sO.

higinz: [rezFnedli] it dOnt mAter, AnihQ. sit dQn.

hI SEks /fredI'z hAnd, n YlmOst sliNz him on H otomAn wiH hiz fEs t H
windOz; Hen komz rQnd t H oHer sFd v it.

higinz: wel, hIr wI R, AnihQ!

[hI sits dQn on H otomAn nekst misez /FnsfOrd hil, on her left].

n nQ, wat H devil R wI gOiN t tYk abQt until /elFza komz?

misez higinz: /henri: jM R H lFf n sOl v H rqal sosFetI'z swarEz; but
rIli jUr rAHer trFiN on mOr komonplEs okEZonz.


higinz: Am F? veri sori. [bImiN sudenli] F supOz F Am, jM nO.

.[uprOriusli] hy, hy!

kontinjM wiH Akt 3d

*******************

jeff wrote:
>
> I am using kmail on KDE, and what I see is a series of boxes with
> punctuation. What am I missing?

Last time I checked KDE was not totally Unicode compliant. It could
handle only the first 64k character plane (plane 0) of Unicode, while
Shavian (and an increasing number of other characters and scripts) is
located beyond the first 64k in plane 1.

As a test, if KDE is working properly, you should see one (1) box on the
following line:
𐑐
If you see anything other than a single box or the letter Peep, then you
need to use something other than a KDE app. I tested Evolution and it
works great for both composing and reading.
--
('> He shall cover thee with his feathers, <')
/)) and under his wings shalt thou trust: ((\
//'' his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. ''\\