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Hi Joe

This note of yours brings up a good point.
Consonant doubling in Shavian.
Obviously Consonant Doubling is not done done in Shavian to
preserve a Short vowel as is done in T.O. for English.
It pretty well has to indicate a Syllable boundary, where the
first of the 2 consonants, indicates the end of the first syllable
annd the second consonant, indicates the beginning of the second
syllable.
However, I do notice that in Ordinary Amercan Pronunciation at
least, the sound of first of the doubled consonants regularly gets
dropped.
Can anyone give me some good word examples, where consonant doubling
or sharing across syllable boundaries is preserved and would be
apparent in the writing of the word in Shavian Letters.
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. I only notice it very rarely. I will try to recall where.
_______________attached___________________________________________
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <allegrox_2000@y...>
wrote:
>
> > > And in my accent at least, a lone medial consonant
> > > usually goes with the first syllable if it's voiceless
> > > and with the next if it's voiced, though, I have a
> > > tendency to double such medial consonants so that
> > > there's one in each syllable.
> >
> > How would you spell them in Shavian?
> > \fidal, pUpat, dAdi\ or \fiddal, pUppat, dAddi\?
>
> Since there is no important distinction here, I would just write
them once. Thus
> \fidal\, \pupat\ (maybe \pupet\), \dAdI\ or \dAdi\.
> Though I often double consonants in speech, the distinction is
rarely important. The
> only minimal pair I can think of is "coolly" and "Kuli" (a city in
Botswana), which I
> would spell \kMlli\ and \kUli\. In cases like these, the doubled
L is actually dark L
> (farther back in the mouth) that glides into a light L (farther
forward). This occurs
> anywhere there is a syllable break between two Ls, and I think
it's important to write
> both of them. This probably isn't necessary with other
consonants, though.
>
> Regards,
> Joe

You make it sound like you've been awarded an Oscar :P

It's not that much of a big deal - it just means you can keep spammers away,
keep the vault tidy (if I haven't done it already) and such like. There's
never been any issues here of members being obscene/abusive, or completely
off topic - the last group lasted OK without a moderator for 4 years, before
the spammers arrived, so there won't be a lot to do here I suspect.

Hugh B

P.S. 'Bounced' means an email couldn't reach someone. In the group it means
members whose email addresses are no longer active.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul vandenbrink [mailto:pvandenbrink@...]
> Sent: 06 January 2005 04:04
> To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shawalphabet] Re: On the benefits of Moderation
>
>
>
> Thanks, Hugh
> This is an undeserved honor.
> I am now OFFICIALLY a moderate on any and all Shavian issues.
> I was expecting a somewhat longer apprenticeship period.
> But now I guess I have to get my act together, and figure out how to
> manage a Yahoo Group.
> Regards, Paul V.
> P.S. What is bounced? Hard Bounced? Soft bounced.
> ____________________attached_______________________________
>
>
>
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead"
> <mixsynth@f...> wrote:
> > Of course Paul - you spend far more time in this group and in the
> forum than
> > I do.
> >
> > No application necessary - you're hired :) Moderator privileges
> assigned.
> >
> > Hugh B
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: paul vandenbrink [mailto:pvandenbrink@s...]
> > > Sent: 05 January 2005 21:07
> > > To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [shawalphabet] On the benefits of Moderation
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Hugh
> > > I have a lot to learn about the Web-site, but
> > > I wouldn't mind becoming an apprentice moderator.
> > > Right now, I have trouble moderating my own opinions, much
> > > less moderate the extreme opinions of the other fanatics.
> > >
> > > Every day, when I roll out of the right side of my bed,
> > > before I arise from the prone position, I thank G-d for letting
> > > me survive another night, and vow that I will not be a fanatic,
> > > no matter what the provocation, but before the day is half done,
> > > I have lost my cool, and am thinking strongly about the benefits
> of
> > > random euthanasia. (too hard to determine blame)
> > > But with time and practise, I expect to moderate discussions
> with the
> > > best of them.
> > > Please consider my application, if ever, Philip becomes really
> > > disenheartened by the
> > > incessent bickering that has become our lot.
> > >
> > > Fond REGARDS, Paul V.
> > >
> > > _____________________attached_________________________________
> > >
> > > --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead"
> > > <mixsynth@f...> wrote:
> > > > Steve
> > > > At present Philip Newton is a second moderator. He can do most
> > > everything I
> > > > can. If we want to nominate a third, let's do it.
> > > >
> > > > I don't expect there to be ANY circumstances where members
> would be
> > > banned
> > > > from this group, unless they are obviously spammers. The old
> group
> > > > functioned perfectly without any other sorts of bans, so that's
> > > exactly how
> > > > this one can work too. This basically means, the only thing I
> care
> > > to do as
> > > > a moderator to do is keep the vault organized (the last group's
> > > vault was a
> > > > complete mess) - I'll leave censorship of free speech to the
> > > government!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hugh B
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: stbetta@a... [mailto:stbetta@a...]
> > > > Sent: 04 January 2005 07:41
> > > > To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] RE: [shavian] Re: more on mapping
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hugh,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Where do you get that idea?
> > > > The moderator can banish people and some have exercised that
> > > ability.
> > > >
> > > > One group banished a member for posting too many messages.
> > > > I banish people who post off topic messages (spam).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think it would be a good idea for you to select a co-
> moderator.
> > > >
> > > > See if you can find someone to volunteer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I told Dshep that I didn't think that it was possible for him
> to be
> > > banished
> > > > from the Shavian group since there is no moderator.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --Steve
> > > >
> > > > Steve - I still get the feeling you think of me as an
> autocratic
> > > overlord of
> > > > the shawalphabet group, with powers to banish people I don't
> like.
> > > YOU can
> > > > be a moderator at the click of a mouse. Let me know if you
> want to
> > > be and
> > > > I'll make you one. Then you can banish ME if you like. :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Steve T. Bett, Ph.D.
> > > > Austin, Texas
> > > > sbett@l... 512-302-3014
> > > > <file:///C:\Documents%2520and%2520Settings\Steve%2520Bett\My%
> > > 2520Documents\M
> > > > y%2520Webs\www.foolswisdom.com\~sbett>
> www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett
> > > > retired professor, volunteer literacy instructor
> > > > moderator of Saundspel-The Phonology Forum
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saundspel
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > _____
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Hi Hugh
I do consider it an award, albeit as you say, it may not be that big
a deal, if you know what you are doing.
Unfortunately, I have never moderated a Yahoo group, before.
So I have a lot to learn.
As you are handling all the issues or setting them to default to
standard automatic processing, there may not be much for me to do at
the moment. But I would like to learn and be prepared to do more if
the need arises. I hope you and Philip don't mind, if I ask you the
odd precedural question from time to time?

Thanks again, Paul V.

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead"
<mixsynth@f...> wrote:
> You make it sound like you've been awarded an Oscar :P
>
> It's not that much of a big deal - it just means you can keep
spammers away,
> keep the vault tidy (if I haven't done it already) and such like.
There's
> never been any issues here of members being obscene/abusive, or
completely
> off topic - the last group lasted OK without a moderator for 4
years, before
> the spammers arrived, so there won't be a lot to do here I suspect.
>
> Hugh B
>
> P.S. 'Bounced' means an email couldn't reach someone. In the group
it means
> members whose email addresses are no longer active.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: paul vandenbrink [mailto:pvandenbrink@s...]
> > Sent: 06 January 2005 04:04
> > To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [shawalphabet] Re: On the benefits of Moderation
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Hugh
> > This is an undeserved honor.
> > I am now OFFICIALLY a moderate on any and all Shavian issues.
> > I was expecting a somewhat longer apprenticeship period.
> > But now I guess I have to get my act together, and figure out
how to
> > manage a Yahoo Group.
> > Regards, Paul V.
> > P.S. What is bounced? Hard Bounced? Soft bounced.
> > ____________________attached_______________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead"
> > <mixsynth@f...> wrote:
> > > Of course Paul - you spend far more time in this group and in
the
> > forum than
> > > I do.
> > >
> > > No application necessary - you're hired :) Moderator privileges
> > assigned.
> > >
> > > Hugh B
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: paul vandenbrink [mailto:pvandenbrink@s...]
> > > > Sent: 05 January 2005 21:07
> > > > To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [shawalphabet] On the benefits of Moderation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Hugh
> > > > I have a lot to learn about the Web-site, but
> > > > I wouldn't mind becoming an apprentice moderator.
> > > > Right now, I have trouble moderating my own opinions, much
> > > > less moderate the extreme opinions of the other fanatics.
> > > >
> > > > Every day, when I roll out of the right side of my bed,
> > > > before I arise from the prone position, I thank G-d for
letting
> > > > me survive another night, and vow that I will not be a
fanatic,
> > > > no matter what the provocation, but before the day is half
done,
> > > > I have lost my cool, and am thinking strongly about the
benefits
> > of
> > > > random euthanasia. (too hard to determine blame)
> > > > But with time and practise, I expect to moderate discussions
> > with the
> > > > best of them.
> > > > Please consider my application, if ever, Philip becomes
really
> > > > disenheartened by the
> > > > incessent bickering that has become our lot.
> > > >
> > > > Fond REGARDS, Paul V.
> > > >
> > > >
_____________________attached_________________________________
> > > >
> > > > --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead"
> > > > <mixsynth@f...> wrote:
> > > > > Steve
> > > > > At present Philip Newton is a second moderator. He can do
most
> > > > everything I
> > > > > can. If we want to nominate a third, let's do it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't expect there to be ANY circumstances where members
> > would be
> > > > banned
> > > > > from this group, unless they are obviously spammers. The
old
> > group
> > > > > functioned perfectly without any other sorts of bans, so
that's
> > > > exactly how
> > > > > this one can work too. This basically means, the only
thing I
> > care
> > > > to do as
> > > > > a moderator to do is keep the vault organized (the last
group's
> > > > vault was a
> > > > > complete mess) - I'll leave censorship of free speech to
the
> > > > government!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hugh B
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _____
> > > > >
> > > > > From: stbetta@a... [mailto:stbetta@a...]
> > > > > Sent: 04 January 2005 07:41
> > > > > To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] RE: [shavian] Re: more on
mapping
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hugh,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Where do you get that idea?
> > > > > The moderator can banish people and some have exercised
that
> > > > ability.
> > > > >
> > > > > One group banished a member for posting too many messages.
> > > > > I banish people who post off topic messages (spam).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it would be a good idea for you to select a co-
> > moderator.
> > > > >
> > > > > See if you can find someone to volunteer.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I told Dshep that I didn't think that it was possible for
him
> > to be
> > > > banished
> > > > > from the Shavian group since there is no moderator.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --Steve
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve - I still get the feeling you think of me as an
> > autocratic
> > > > overlord of
> > > > > the shawalphabet group, with powers to banish people I
don't
> > like.
> > > > YOU can
> > > > > be a moderator at the click of a mouse. Let me know if you
> > want to
> > > > be and
> > > > > I'll make you one. Then you can banish ME if you like. :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve T. Bett, Ph.D.
> > > > > Austin, Texas
> > > > > sbett@l... 512-302-3014
> > > > > <file:///C:\Documents%2520and%2520Settings\Steve%
2520Bett\My%
> > > > 2520Documents\M
> > > > > y%2520Webs\www.foolswisdom.com\~sbett>
> > www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett
> > > > > retired professor, volunteer literacy instructor
> > > > > moderator of Saundspel-The Phonology Forum
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saundspel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _____
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shawalphabet/
> > > > >
> > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > > shawalphabet-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> > > > subject=Unsubscribe>
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
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Hi Hugh
> It looks like you have moved some really good stuff into the
Shaw Alphabet Vault, already. I guess, come the end of January,
we can start loading down some of the more pertinent files and
programs from the old forum vault.
> Thanks again, Paul V.

> Hi Hugh
> I do consider it an award, albeit as you say, it may not be that big
> a deal, if you know what you are doing.
> Unfortunately, I have never moderated a Yahoo group, before.
> So I have a lot to learn.
> As you are handling all the issues or setting them to default to
> standard automatic processing, there may not be much for me to do at
> the moment. But I would like to learn and be prepared to do more if
> the need arises. I hope you and Philip don't mind, if I ask you the
> odd precedural question from time to time?
>
> Thanks again, Paul V.

There really isn't much to do at all, at the moment. All you have to do, for
now, is just 'be a moderator', i.e. carry on as before. Of course ask us
questions, but I'm pretty sure there'll be none to ask yet, because there's
nothing to do yet. The only thing you would do really is ban spammers and/or
inappropriate posters, and since there aren't any causing trouble at the
moment...

Perhaps I talked up this whole moderator thing a bit much! :-S

Hugh B

Paul

The stuff I've been moving to the new vault IS the stuff from the old vault!

I've added a few fonts that weren't there before, and I intend to add links
to every Shavian site currently on the net, plus archive.org links to sites
that are now dead (such as Lionel Ghoti's).

It's also possible to give the web interface for the group a certain colour
scheme and/or backdrop - I had a thought that it would be good to give it an
"Androcles-esque" feel, i.e. black/orange/white?

The group has a Yahoo chat room built in - Yahoo Groups have had them for
years, but nobody here has ever used it. I thought it would be nice to try
to make it possible to chat real-time in Shavian, but I don't know how
difficult that would be with the Yahoo built-in room. It might have to be
hosted on a third-party web site.

Hugh B

> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul vandenbrink [mailto:pvandenbrink@...]
> Sent: 07 January 2005 00:03
> To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shawalphabet] Updating Files and Programs in the vault
>
>
>
> Hi Hugh
> > It looks like you have moved some really good stuff into the
> Shaw Alphabet Vault, already. I guess, come the end of January,
> we can start loading down some of the more pertinent files and
> programs from the old forum vault.
> > Thanks again, Paul V.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Hugh,

Did you ever determine what was the first choice for the Shavian font.
I would prefer one that it more compact or condense than Lionspaw.
I am not quite ready to try unicode Shavian.

Steve T. Bett
Austin, Texas
stbett@...
www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saundspel

Hi Steve



It had been Ghoti in the past (Ross DeMeyere's excellent gothic font).
However, perhaps we could now use Phillip Driscoll's Shaw Sans No.2, as used
in the Ikonboard forum? I believe it to be the most compact, well-balanced
font available.



Hugh B



_____

From: stbetta@... [mailto:stbetta@...]
Sent: 08 January 2005 07:03
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Updating Files and Programs in the vault



Hugh,



Did you ever determine what was the first choice for the Shavian font.

I would prefer one that it more compact or condense than Lionspaw.

I am not quite ready to try unicode Shavian.


Steve T. Bett
Austin, Texas
stbett@...

www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saundspel






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Hugh,

I agree with your selection:

Shaw Sans No. 2
will be the preferred font for Shavian transcriptions on this site.
It will be available in the file section of Shawalphabet
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shawalphabet/files

-----Steve

Transcriptions:
SY sAnz #2 wil bI H prIfDd fynt fP
SEvian trAnzskripSanz yn His sFt.

Compare the DeMeyere keyboard mappping to ENgliS
and Unifon below. For novices, these are easier to learn and use.
These are not necessarily optimal but they are more optimal in terms of
reading & writing ease than DeMeyere. There is less to relearn.
So sqnz #2 wil bE D prEfRd fcnt for
SAvian trqnzkripSanz on* Dis sIt

Sx sanz #2 wil bE D prEfcrd font fOr
SAvicn tranzkripScnz on Dis sIt


R /3/ is recognized as one of the phonemes of spoken English (obscure vowel)
but
it is not uniquely represented in the alphabet. /3`j/ is spelled urge, /3`nd/
is spelled earned
/s3`f@`/ surfer. ENgliS & Shavian handle this well: Rj, Rnd, sRfar
Shavian:. xj, xnd, sxfD/sxfar. Unifon does not: urj, urn, surfcr.

I want a uni-key that can be taught to everyone and used to display any set
of special characters such as Shavian, Unifon, i/t/a, Webster, or IPA.

uni-key would be use as the keyboard map and for discussing speech sounds in
ASCII email.

The next step up would be a more natural looking digraphic/accented phonemic
writing system [Webster Latin 1].
Shô wil bé ð préfûrd fönt fôr Sháviøn transkripshønz ön ðis sýt.

Webster Latin 1 can be easily typed after a 5 min. installation of the
International keyboard.
95% of the email editors can interpret these codes but sometimes they are
auto-converted to Unicode which cannot be interpreted by some email editors.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shawalphabet/files

Hugh, mixsynth@... writes:
Hi Steve
It had been Ghoti in the past (Ross DeMeyere’s excellent gothic font).
However, perhaps we could now use Phillip Driscoll’s Shaw Sans No.2, as used in the
Ikonboard forum? I believe it to be the most compact, well-balanced font
available.
Hugh B



Steve wrote:
Hugh,

Did you ever determine what was the first choice for the Shavian font.
I would prefer one that it more compact or condense than Lionspaw.
I am not quite ready to try unicode Shavian.
Steve T. Bett
Austin, Texas
stbett@yahoo.com
www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett

hF /stIv



F’m glAd V agrI. F TiNk it’s H best lUkiN v Yl v Hem. (F hOp His SOz up Az
/SEvWn...)



/hV /b



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From: stbetta@... [mailto:stbetta@...]
Sent: 09 January 2005 19:17
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Cc: unifon@yahoogroups.com; euro-english@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shawalphabet] Shaw Sans No. 2



Hugh,



I agree with your selection:



Shaw Sans No. 2

will be the preferred font for Shavian transcriptions on this site.

It will be available in the file section of Shawalphabet
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shawalphabet/files



-----Steve

Transcriptions:

SY sAnz #2 wil bI H prIfDd fynt fP
SEvian trAnzskripSanz yn His sFt.



Compare the DeMeyere keyboard mappping to ENgliS
and Unifon below. For novices, these are easier to learn and use.
These are not necessarily optimal but they are more optimal in terms of
reading & writing ease than DeMeyere. There is less to relearn.

So sqnz #2 wil bE D prEfRd fcnt for

SAvian trqnzkripSanz on* Dis sIt

Sx sanz #2 wil bE D prEfcrd font fOr
SAvicn tranzkripScnz on Dis sIt





R /3/ is recognized as one of the phonemes of spoken English (obscure vowel)
but

it is not uniquely represented in the alphabet. /3`j/ is spelled urge,
/3`nd/ is spelled earned

/s3`f@`/ surfer. ENgliS & Shavian handle this well: Rj, Rnd, sRfar
Shavian:. xj, xnd, sxfD/sxfar. Unifon does not: urj, urn, surfcr.



I want a uni-key that can be taught to everyone and used to display any set
of special characters such as Shavian, Unifon, i/t/a, Webster, or IPA.



uni-key would be use as the keyboard map and for discussing speech sounds in
ASCII email.



The next step up would be a more natural looking digraphic/accented phonemic
writing system [Webster Latin 1].
Shô wil bé ð préfûrd fönt fôr Sháviøn transkripshønz ön ðis sýt.



Webster Latin 1 can be easily typed after a 5 min. installation of the
International keyboard.
95% of the email editors can interpret these codes but sometimes they are
auto-converted to Unicode which cannot be interpreted by some email editors.



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Hugh, mixsynth@... writes:

Hi Steve



It had been Ghoti in the past (Ross DeMeyere’s excellent gothic font).
However, perhaps we could now use Phillip Driscoll’s Shaw Sans No.2, as used
in the Ikonboard forum? I believe it to be the most compact, well-balanced
font available.



Hugh B




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Steve wrote:

Hugh,

Did you ever determine what was the first choice for the Shavian font.

I would prefer one that it more compact or condense than Lionspaw.

I am not quite ready to try unicode Shavian.

Steve T. Bett
Austin, Texas
stbett@...

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