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I'm not certain about this, but the voicing of TH should follow a pattern
similar to that of S. Between vowels or next to voiced consonants it will
likely be voiced. Of course, it also tends to be voiced in initial position
and voiceless in final position, which is just the opposite. And there are
the exceptions. I don't know of any consistent way to determine whether it
will be voiced or not, but I also don't know of any minimal pairs that rely
on the distinction, except in dialects that have the pin-pen merger which
still distinguish them in the words "then" and "thin". But such mergers
aside, does anybody else know of any minimal pairs?

Regards,
Joe Spicer
/JO spFsD



On 3/2/05 12:42 PM, "paul vandenbrink" <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:

> This is just an additional point on the benefits of a Voiced/Unvoiced
> Distinction in the Shaw Alphabet.
> How does an English Student learn when to pronounce the TH sound.
> How does he know when it is voiced and when it is not other than
> memorizing every occurrence of this sound in English.
> I used to Think if it was at the beginning of a word, specifically
> one of the Definate Pronouns (The, This, That, Those, Thee, Thou,
> than, then, there, though) then it was voiced and in all other
> instances not. Then I found some exceptions, mostly in old English or
> Germanic
> Loan words where it was also voiced (Mother, Father, Brother, other,
> lathe, bathe). But bath was unvoiced.
> The exceptions mounted. It is much better to have it spelled out, as
> in Shavian.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
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> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
> <pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:

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Is the Shaw Sans No. 2 font available for Mac?

Bob Richmond

The closest minimal pair I know of for two th phonemes is wreath (noun) vs.
wreathe (verb). Unfortunately the other noun/verb pairs had funny things happen
to them in the 18th century sound shift - bath/bathe, breath/breathe etc. -
Another is thou (archaic 2nd person singular pronoun) and thou (short for
thousand).

Bob Richmond

hF /byb
HANks fP prOvFdiN HAt Vsfal infPmESan abQt minamal pXz fP H H=T sQndz.
ragRdz, /pYl /v.
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>The closest minimal pair I know of for two th phonemes is wreath (noun)
>vs. wreathe (verb). Unfortunately the other noun/verb pairs had funny
>things happen to them in the 18th century sound shift - bath/bathe,
>breath/breathe etc. - Another is thou (archaic 2nd person singular
>pronoun) and thou (short for thousand).
>
>Bob Richmond

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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Philip Newton"
<philip.newton@g...> wrote:
> Sorry for all those tests...
>
> tekst in a div
>
> tekst in a pAragryf
>
> tekst in a spAn
>
> tekst in impPtant inlFn stFl
>
> tekst in impPtant inlFn stFl
>
> tekst in a font tAg
>
> Was any of that in Shavian? If so, what?

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