Perhaps I should do my Shavian corrospondance by handwritten note. I
handwrite it mostly anyway, and I need to get faster.
--Star
--- Philip Newton <philip.newton@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:27:22 EST, [1]stbetta@... said:
>
> Philip,
>
> I make a distinction between Shavian and the keyboard map
> that one learns in order to access the Shavian characters on
> the font.
>
> y, it sImz HAt F misundDstUd V. F TYt HAt V wx saJestiN HAt
> pIpal Vz, fP egzympal, "E" (H /rOman letD) t reprazent a givan
> sQnd... if V wx, insted, saJestiN HAt a givan kIbPd mAp bI Vzd t
> Akses /SEvWn letDz, HAt iz a difarant matD n wUd indId bI
> on-topik hC. Az loN Az it endz up in /SEvWn in H end n not in
> /rOman letDz, Fm hApI.
>
> The keyboard map is not part of Shavian it is just convention
> used by most of those who have developed digital fonts for
> Shavian.
>
> trM; F agrI.
>
> we are probably stuck with some kind of keyboard map for the
> next ten years.
>
> jes, but it nId not bI H sEm kIbPd mAp fP evrIwun... Just Az HX
> R /kwxtI n /dvOrAk mAps fP H /iNliS lANgwiJ, HX kAn bI multipal
> mAps fP /SEvWn n evrIwun kAn pik n cMz H wun hI lFks best, Az
> loN Az HE R sapPtid bF softwX (a kIbPd drFvD).
>
> espeSalI if /VnikOd kAciz on mP wFdlI n wI R divPst from
> spasifik fonts, H mApiN wil nO loNgD dipend on H font but OnlI
> on H kIbPd drFvD. HAt wUd bI FdIl, F fIl.
>
> What if we were to teach a simple dictionary key spelling to
> preschool children? With this spelling you could go two ways.
> You could write in Shavian and/or you could learn the
> traditional system.
>
> F dOnt sI hQ lxniN a dikSanDI kI speliN (bEst on /rOman, F asVm)
> wUd help muc wiH lxniN /SEvWn, sins H letD-SEps R kamplItlI
> difDant.
>
> There is enough resistance to teaching two codes to avoid
> introducing the Latin based correspondences E I (F) O U.
>
> nO mAtD; Fm not stroNlI wedid t HOz korespondansIz.
>
> You first have to explain why Shavian is better than IPA.
>
> t mF mFnd, H tM dOnt kampIt; HE hAv difDant gOlz. /SEvWn iz
> intendid t reprazent H fOnImz v H /iNliS lANgwiJ n H /iNliS
> lANgwiJ OnlI, n t dM His Job wel. H /ifA, on H uHD hAnd, iz
> intendid t reprazent H sQndz (fOnz) v Yl H wxld'z lANgwiJaz.
>
> YlsO, it wxks on H bEsis v fOnz, not fOnImz. His mInz, fP
> egzympal, HAt it reprazents difToNz wIH tM sepDat simbalz, Ivan
> if H difToN reprazents wun siNgal fOnIm in a givan lANgwiJ;
> similDlI wiH Afrikats suc Az "c" P "J" or "ts" (wic iz tM fOnImz
> in /iNliS but wun in /Jxman).
>
> Shavian's [...] popularization as a parallel writing system
> are all legitimate topics of discussion.
>
> jes, F sapOz sO. not on topik, on H uHD hAnd, R H popVlArizESan
> v uHD rFtiN sistamz, espeSalI HOz bEst on rIspeliNz v H /rOman
> Alfabet; nP, in mF mFnd, H diskuSan v Hem.
>
> F for Y is not a bad substitution
>
> "F" reprazents not OnlI "Y" but YlsO "I", fP egzympal. but
> "F" iz not "F"!
>
> The comment is an admission that DeMeyere might have had good
> grounds for selecting the F for /aI/ and an attempt to build
> some associations that might make F easier for a notice to
> see F as a sound sign for something other than /f/
>
> E? F dOnt sI enI suc admiSan. F TiNk H cqs v "F" woz pritI
> RbitrDI.
>
> ENgliS is just an example of a keyboard map that is easier to
> decipher than the existing keyboard map.
>
> fX inuf. HX'z rM fP mP Han wun kIbPd mAp.
>
> ENgliS is not suitable for Shavian as it is currently
> configured
>
> Hen F dOnt sI an Yfal lot v pqnt in diskusiN it hC.
>
> it does suggest a way that might be easier for novices to
> pick up.
>
> H TiN iz, F wont novisaz t pik up /SEvWn... if a difDant sistam
> mEks it IzID t pik up sumTiN but HAt sumTiN iz not /SEvWn, Hen F
> dOnt sI it Az wxTwFl fP His grMp.
>
> Shavian has various ligatures that are not normally part of a
> phonemic writing system.
>
> HAt dipendz on H pDtikVlD fanImik anAlisis. HO F agrI HAt HX R
> letDz in /SEvWn wic F mFt hav left Qt hAd F dizFnd it (fP
> egzympal, "W" n "V").
>
> I have Shaw Sans 2 installed and it displays the Shavian
> characters quite well.
>
> eksilant!
>
> cCz,
> /filip
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:stbetta@...
> --
> Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>
>
>
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