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> There is also under "Special Characters" a
> Character Palette which also offers a choice,
> one of which is Unicode, which in turn lists
> Shavian as an option. Yet when this is selected
> nothing is there, only empty rectangles where
> there should be letters.

Simply put, Unicode is a comprehensive system for mapping codes to a
font. Your
keyboard produces codes, which the computer translates into visible
glyphs using a font.
This is called "encoding" Unicode has many thousands of codes,
allowing hundreds of
languages to display their special glyphs. Due to how enormous the
list of codes is, and
the fact that most people do not need a fraction of them, there is no
font which addresses
every single code in Unicode. Mac OS X comes with Lucida Grande, a
Unicode font which
contains many, but not all of the glyphs necessary to display full
Unicode. Since Shavian is
such an obscure thing, even though it has a reserved place in the
table, most font creators
never bother (or would even know how to bother) to make glyphs for
it, which is why you
just see the rectangles.

To view a Unicode document which has Shavian characters printed, you
need a font which
has the appropriate glyphs in the reserved spaces for them. You can
find one in the Files
section of this group.

Actually typing them is another matter, since no keyboard actually
creates Shavian codes
by default. You need to use a keyboard map setting which intercepts
the codes the
keyboard generates, and turns them into Unicode. For Mac OS X users,
there is a map in
the Files section also. Just drop it into your Library as described
in the file, and it will show
up in the International keyboard menu drop-down. When selected, your
standard keyboard
will become a Shavian keyboard, and if you have the right font
installed, you will see
Shavian characters when you type (in Unicode aware applications, of
course -- which is
many in OS X). Once everything is installed correctly, switching to Shavian is as simple as
hitting Cmd-Space, and then typing. Cmd-Space will revert back to your default language
setting (usually English).

Hi Chartograph

My understanding is that Unicode requires a a pretty current version
of the Window. Windows XP or better and Word 2000.
Do you know what Windows and Word Platforms can effectively use
Unicode fonts?

Regards. Paul V.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "chartograph"
<yahoo.5.haelo@s...> wrote:
> Simply put, Unicode is a comprehensive system for mapping codes to a
> font. Your
> keyboard produces codes, which the computer translates into visible
> glyphs using a font.
> This is called "encoding" Unicode has many thousands of codes,
> allowing hundreds of
> languages to display their special glyphs. Due to how enormous the
> list of codes is, and
> the fact that most people do not need a fraction of them, there is
no
> font which addresses
> every single code in Unicode. Mac OS X comes with Lucida Grande, a
> Unicode font which
> contains many, but not all of the glyphs necessary to display full
> Unicode. Since Shavian is
> such an obscure thing, even though it has a reserved place in the
> table, most font creators
> never bother (or would even know how to bother) to make glyphs for
> it, which is why you
> just see the rectangles.
>
> To view a Unicode document which has Shavian characters printed, you
> need a font which
> has the appropriate glyphs in the reserved spaces for them. You can
> find one in the Files
> section of this group.
>
> Actually typing them is another matter, since no keyboard actually
> creates Shavian codes
> by default. You need to use a keyboard map setting which intercepts
> the codes the
> keyboard generates, and turns them into Unicode. For Mac OS X users,
> there is a map in
> the Files section also. Just drop it into your Library as described
> in the file, and it will show
> up in the International keyboard menu drop-down. When selected, your
> standard keyboard
> will become a Shavian keyboard, and if you have the right font
> installed, you will see
> Shavian characters when you type (in Unicode aware applications, of
> course -- which is
> many in OS X). Once everything is installed correctly, switching to
Shavian is as simple as
> hitting Cmd-Space, and then typing. Cmd-Space will revert back to
your default language
> setting (usually English).

This link may help:
http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/fonts/unicode.html#what
Thanks for info about Mac OS X.
BeOS too supports Unicode.
GlobalWriter usually manages to update its keymaps to match current Unicode
status.
I first used it under WinME.
jb

I came up with a rather useful keyboard layout (Mac OS X only) for Unicode
Shavian, which I call the ³Extended Shavian² layout. In its normal state,
it's identical to the U.S. Keyboard layout (except option key combinations
don't work yet--I'm working on that). But when you turn on the CAPS lock,
it switches to the QWERTY-based Shavian layout used by our non-Unicode
fonts. It still has some things to work out, but I'll eventually upload it
to group page when I'm satisfied with it. I can also do other layouts if
anyone wants something different. I don't know if this kind of layout is
possible on Windows, though, and I don't have a PC to try it. Go ahead and
give it a try if you like the idea and think you can make it work. :)

Regards,
Joe Spicer
/JO spFsD

On 4/7/05 9:27 AM, "chartograph" <yahoo.5.haelo@spamgourmet.com> wrote:

>
>
>> There is also under "Special Characters" a
>> Character Palette which also offers a choice,
>> one of which is Unicode, which in turn lists
>> Shavian as an option. Yet when this is selected
>> nothing is there, only empty rectangles where
>> there should be letters.
>
> Simply put, Unicode is a comprehensive system for mapping codes to a
> font. Your
> keyboard produces codes, which the computer translates into visible
> glyphs using a font.
> This is called "encoding" Unicode has many thousands of codes,
> allowing hundreds of
> languages to display their special glyphs. Due to how enormous the
> list of codes is, and
> the fact that most people do not need a fraction of them, there is no
> font which addresses
> every single code in Unicode. Mac OS X comes with Lucida Grande, a
> Unicode font which
> contains many, but not all of the glyphs necessary to display full
> Unicode. Since Shavian is
> such an obscure thing, even though it has a reserved place in the
> table, most font creators
> never bother (or would even know how to bother) to make glyphs for
> it, which is why you
> just see the rectangles.
>
> To view a Unicode document which has Shavian characters printed, you
> need a font which
> has the appropriate glyphs in the reserved spaces for them. You can
> find one in the Files
> section of this group.
>
> Actually typing them is another matter, since no keyboard actually
> creates Shavian codes
> by default. You need to use a keyboard map setting which intercepts
> the codes the
> keyboard generates, and turns them into Unicode. For Mac OS X users,
> there is a map in
> the Files section also. Just drop it into your Library as described
> in the file, and it will show
> up in the International keyboard menu drop-down. When selected, your
> standard keyboard
> will become a Shavian keyboard, and if you have the right font
> installed, you will see
> Shavian characters when you type (in Unicode aware applications, of
> course -- which is
> many in OS X). Once everything is installed correctly, switching to Shavian is
> as simple as
> hitting Cmd-Space, and then typing. Cmd-Space will revert back to your default
> language
> setting (usually English).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "chartograph" wrote:


> Simply put, Unicode is a comprehensive system for mapping
> codes to a font. Your keyboard produces codes, which the
> computer translates into visible glyphs using a font.............


Thank you for your help in this matter, I haven't seen your name
before and appreciate your effort and interest in coming to the
aid of those of us (perhaps only me) who do not instinctively grasp
these things.

In spite of your clear instructions I'm still clumsily stumbling
about and do not seem to be able to get things put in the proper
place. But, it usually takes me a while to get everything sorted
out correctly, and besides, I've yet to master the many intricacies
of OS X yet and that lack of accomplishment does get in the way.

For example,

> For Mac OS X users,there is a map in the Files section also. Just
> drop it into your Library as described in the file,

I can't find any such description. Which mapping layout did you mean?



many thanks,
dshep








many thanks,
dshep

> Thank you for your help in this matter, I haven't seen your name
> before and appreciate your effort and interest in coming to the
> aid of those of us (perhaps only me) who do not instinctively grasp
> these things.

No problem. I am new here, though I generally lurk the Quickscript
forum, as that is my preferred alphabet.

> > For Mac OS X users,there is a map in the Files section also. Just
> > drop it into your Library as described in the file,

It seems I was mistaken about where that is. I think I probably got it
from this site: <http://www.mithrandir.com/Shavian/Shavian.html>
Scroll down a bit, and you will see a table with a link to both the
font and keylayout file for OS X. There are instructions on how to use
it, there.

Hi David
This is a pastiche response.
That was an interesting poem.

dao/Tao (The way) is a whirling emptiness,
yet when used cannot be exhausted.
Out of this mysterious well
flows everything in existence.

I think this is a good example of Religous Hyperbole.
Excuse me if I am not P.C.
I only know Tai Chi, which is revitalizing set of exercises
for one and all. I believe it is somehow related to Tao.

It also demonstrates the rare xh phoneme only found
appropriately in the word "exhausted".

(swiciN t /SYvIan)
(mF VzVal VsaJ simpli-fakESunz aplF)

F Am nyt HAt wel infPmd abQt raliJans eHD HAn mF On,
/JMdIizam, HAt iz.
F hAv wun stAndxd v trMT fP mF On raliJan,
n anUHD muc striktD stAndxd fP evrI TiN els.

/JMdIizam, iz mF ryk HAt I stAnd yn, frum wX F
eksAman evrI TiN els.
mEbI wen I get OldD, I wil bI Abal t dM mental
sumDsYlts
n eksAmin mF AksIums,
but nQ F fC F wUd fYl intM
wDliN emtinas.
(*whirling emptiness*)
(*Back to Roman*)
(* Religion is very much a matter of perspective. *)

rigRdz frum ovD hC, /pYl /vI.

pI. es. HX wuz unuHD /dEvid hM wuz YlsO a SepXd frum
lYN agO n fR awE.

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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "dshepx" <dshep@g...> wrote:

> dQ (Ha wE) iz a Nwurlih emtinas,
> jet Nwen Vzd kAnot bI agzYstad.
> Qt ov His mistCias wel
> flOz evriTih in agzistans.
>
> .....
> trV fP bOT fizasists And sEJas, it wUd sIm
>
> dSep

hF /hV
(* P.S. I think it should be OK to have Roman text embedded into *)
(* Shaw text as long as people use obvious delimiters on each line*)
(* a bracket followed by an asterisk, for example, or vice versa *)
dM V hAv an apinjun?
enIwEz,
TiNz stil hAv slOd dQn t a krYl yn H /SY /Alfabet sFt.
pDhAps, V kAn finaS TiNz up, bF rIkApiN H rIzults v Yl
H testiN.
prafDAblI, 2 nOts.
1 in /SY
1 in /rOman
Hen mEbI wI kAn get bak t mP pypVlD typiks.

rigRdz, /pYl /V.

(* P.S. I think it should be OK to have Roman text embedded into *)
(* Shaw text as long as people use obvious delimiters on each line*)

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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
<pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
> (* Switching completely to Shavian on the computer and the internet
> is not technically possible at this moment. Still we can do much
> more in Shavian than ever before. That not everybody is up to speed
> on the technology, does not negate the benefit of using more
> Shavian.*)
>
> but wI kAn nyt AfPd t lMz H sapPt v H menI pIpal hM OnlI hAv
> a kASVal intDest. hOpfalI it wil grO intM a fUlD undDstAndiN.
>
> (* For the moment, I think we can get back on track by trying to
use some Shavian in every message. *)
>
> but wI dOnt Ivan hAv a kynvenSan fP miksiN /SYvIan & /rOman tekst,
> wen wI rFt in a siNgal fynt.
> dV V mFnd if F mEk up a kynvenSan & daseminEt it TrM His fPam.
>
> rigRdz, /pYl /vI.
>
> (* P.S. I think it should be OK to have Roman text embedded into *)
(* Shaw text as long as people use obvious delimiters on each line*)
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>
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead"
> <mixsynth@f...> wrote:
> > /hF /pYl
> > F OnlI sed, "enI riplFz t *His mesaJ* wil bI dalItad", i.e. enI
> riplFz H HAt
> > Tred. HAt did not saJest enI nV konvDsESanz not in /SEvWn wUd bI
> dalItad. F
> > woz YlsO not sCIas abQt dalItiN enITiN, hens H ":-)" -- F kUdnt
> dalIt enITiN
> > from His list Ivan if F wontad t, bikoz mesaJaz R distribjatad
vFa ImEl.
> > H fAkt HAt intDest in H grMp hAz tempDeralI tEld of iz nuTiN t dM
> wiH wot F rOt. it Just hApanz sumtFmz. it's bIn kwFat hC fP a lot
loNgD in H pAst.
> >
> >
> >
> > Az fP H regjalDz not hAviN t "prMv enITiN", HAt's not wot it's
> abQt. H pqnt
> > F woz mEkiN woz, wot's H pqnt in hAviN a grMp fP an imprMvd,
> sMpCID Alfabet
> > if Yl wI dM iz tYk in H Alfabet wI'D AdvakEtiN t riplEs? Yl wI
get
> iz topiks
> > abQt 'y' vxsas 'o', 'u' vxsas 'a', n uHD topiks HAt kIp getiN
> diskust OvD n
> > OvD. Just Vz H Alfabet, dOnt kIp tYkiN endlaslI abQt it.
> >
> >
> >
> > F'm awX menI pIpl R hAviN difikaltIz salektiN fonts in HX /ImEl
> prOgrAmz.
> > His iz unfPcanat. F'm sDprFzd, in 2005, sum mElrIdDz stil kAnt
> Ivan displE
> > /html mEl, let alOn rFt it. rimembD, enIwun kAn pOst in /rOman -
> nObodI kAn
> > stop Tem! but if pIpl kAn pOst in /SEvWn, F pxsanalI TiNk HE SUd.
> uHDwFz wI
> > mFt Az wel Yl admit HAt /SEvWn rWlI iznt H fAntAstik nV wE t
> rFt /iNgliS wI
> > kIp klEmiN it t bI.
> >
> > /hV /b

hF /hV.
I set up a new Link to www.shavian.org in my Web page
at www.shawalphabet.com
There are green buttons on the Portal Page saying "Home"
and "Forum". The look like faint green pills.
They brighten up and become clearer when you move
the mouse pointer onto them.
But there is also a Red Pill called "Old Shaw" on the 3
Main pages. Click on the Red Pill and it will take you
immediately to the Main Shavian Alphabet Links page at
www.shavian.org.

F hOp His wil bI muc mP cynvInjent fP evrI budI.
rigRdz, /pYl /vI.

hF evrI budI
I Am in H midal v trAvliN rFt nQ, sO mF updEts wil bI
sumwut spPAdik.
F hOp HAt sumwun wil respynd n get His fPam gOing.
F hEt t sI it in H midal v H /dOldrumz.
mEbI F kAn get sumwunz wind up,
n stRt evrI TiN gOin agEn.

in H mIn tFm, smMT sEaliN, t wun n Yl.
rigRds, /Pyl /vI.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
<pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
>
> hF /hV.
F set up a nV liNk t "www.shavian.org" at mF web pEJ.
(* I set up a new Link to www.shavian.org in my Web page *)
(* at www.shawalphabet.com *)
>
> F hOp His wil bI muc mP cynvInjent fP evrI budI.
> rigRdz, /pYl /vI.