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----Original Message Follows---- From: "Hugh Birkenhead" Reply-To: shavian@... To: Subject: Re: [shavian] Shavian, The list and me [font fix] Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:55:20 +0100 F hAv AkSalI set up a bPd on a test sFt Just rIsantlI VziN 'phpBB' - cek Qt www.shavian.f2s.com/phpBB/index.php/. problam iz F got stuk bikoz F kUdant get H kontents v H pOsts t apC in a /SEvIan font wiHQt evrITiN els on H pEJ apCiN in /SEvIan Az wel! duz 'UBB' alQ V t cEnJ H font fEs fP pOstiNz? /hV ----- Original Message ----- From: Mitch Morris To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [shavian] Shavian, The list and me [font fix] > >
> > TaNks fP rIplFiN.

> > F am planiN on VziN UBB fP H mesiJbPd. > H bPd wil bI at www.PhantomMX.com n wil > bI up sMn. > > /mist /3 iz a puzul-advencx gEm. E am sDprizd Hat /V hav not hxd v /mist. > Az fP H FPS F lFk /kwEk /3 n /trFbz /2. > > F wil put up H bPd sMn. > > -mic >

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> > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Hugh Birkenhead" > Reply-To: shavian@... > To: > Subject: Re: [shavian] Shavian, The list and me [font fix] > Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:51:50 +0100 > > d/V nO wot - F TiNk His mAn hAz hit H nEl on H hed. F'm SUD HX'z rMm in His > list fP kAZMal, infPmativ n amVziN diskuSan insted v H VZMal > fanetiks-rilEtid rAmbliN? > > rFt, nQ it's bIn saJestid... > > /mic, V sE V kAn hOst a diskuSan bPd on jP webspEs - wot diskuSan bPd softwX > R V TiNkiN v VziN? F hAv a pxfekt saJescan YlredI - gO t > www.fearfulsilence.co.uk n cek Qt H /fPam opSan on H left-hAnd menV. His iz, > F TiNk, a grEt fPmAt t Vz. if V'd lFk F'l ysk H sFt webmystD wic softwX it > iz n hQ t get it. > > F TiNk HAt I-mEl lists lFk His wun kAnot rIalI rFval mesiJ bPdz, in txmz v > kapAsatI n YlsO H difDant topiks HAt pOsts kAn bI sPtid intM. > > F plE kampVtD gEms (Az V mFt hAv figDd Qt from H websFt liNk F gEv V > abuv)!wot tFp v gEm iz /mist 3? At H mOmant F'm sumwot intM 1st-pxsan-SMtDz > lFk /unrIl /tUDnamant. in H pyst F hAv plEd plentI v /kwEk /2 Az wel. > > /hV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mitch Morris > To: shavian@... > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:44 PM > Subject: [shavian] Shavian, The list and me [font fix] > > > His iz sumTiN Hat F wuz TiNkiN AboQt tMdE Hat E wontd t sX. sumTiN Hat E > HiNk H SavWn kOmVnitI nIdz iz E plEs t diskus genxul stuf. DiskuSin simulD t > TOz mesiJ bPdz wX pIpul Just tYk AbQt stuf eksept Ql pOsts R in SavWn. F am > mP Han wiliN t hOst suc E bPd on mF web sFt if pIpul won. UHXwiz wI kud Just > Vz His list. nQ F wil stRt wun. EnI wun hC plE kompVtD gEmz? E Just got mist > 3, wun Ysum game. enI wun wont t tYk abQt it? > _________________________________________________________________ Get your > FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hugh,
Thanks for your email. It's good to get a knowledgable response from someone with experience at Shavian. However, after your explanation of the origins of the Gettysburg text, I feel a little like an art critic who's just discovered he's spent an hour critiquing a paint-by-numbers painting.

-Bob McBroom





Rob,



While you are of course completely correct on all the points you mentioned, it is little or nothing to do with the person who had the text transliterated. Rosetta uses the American English CMU dictionary, which was not built specifically for Shavian and its ingenious touches, such as compound vowels, namer dot It uses 'roll' to rhoticise instead. It also does not distinguish between 'up' and 'ado'.



Hugh B




----- Original Message -----

From: Robert McBroom <mailto:info@...>

To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>

Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:35 PM

Subject: Re: [shavian] Shavian transcription needed


Lee -


I'm as new to this group as you are, but I will venture an opinion on your Gettysburg Address in spite of that. I assume your message was sent wanting some feedback.


I too am a Mac person, so I know how it feels to be left out of the action by all the Windows types. I envy your emulator. I have a DOS emulator, but not a Windows one.


I myself have created a little True Basic program to change Shavian back into an ersatz phonetic English, thus allowing me to quickly critique my Shavian work (and others). I wish I knew enough write a program to translate in the other direction, but then, I'd never learn the forms, I'd just let the machine do it.


Here's what I think about the Address translation (although I not really sure whether I'm critiqueing your talents, or the Rosetta program's)


First, liNkun's name is not "LinG-kun" unless maybe you are from Lon-G Island or Philadelphia.


fYrskYr, seems to me to be inappropriate, unless it was Franklin Delano Roosevelt giving the speech. I would say fPskP. This not only saves 2 key strokes, but produces the sound "four" instead of "fawr".


Where you do want the "Y" sound would be "cause", which your text renders kos.


The word sevun brings up a point that runs continuously through the translation: the substitution of the u sound for the e sound or similar sounds. This produces a rather dullard tone to the speech: "guhvernmuhnt" instead of "guvernment"; "dedUHkate" instead of "dedekate"; and writing un where in should be makes "in" into ""un."


When you write the English "are" as or it reads to me "or". How about just plain R ?


And when you mean "or", but write Yr it sounds like "awr", where the one-stroke P is all that's needed.


Likewise, writing jirz makes me think "yi-ers" when writing jCz saves a stroke and makes me think "y-ears."


The indefinite article "a" which you transcribe as u is - at least in my reading of Androcles and later texts- by convention or tradition always written a.


The word lFv should be liv. ("live" with a short i)


The word Qx should be QD (according to Androcles, at least.) Following the same source, hir

should read hC.


Finally, the text doesn't contain any "namer marks", so all capital letter indications are missing.


I didn't set out to be hypercritical, but more to sharpen my own skills. Any feedback will be appreciated.




- /bob /mek/brMm

- Bob McBroom



My name's Lee and I'm new to this Shavian eGroup. The following is my try at Shavian, also attached is a pdf file in case you can't read the LionsPaw font, hope this helps.

I've also tried to read the web pages that Scott Harrison put up, at http://www.mithrandir.com but can't figure out how to get his unicode fonts to work on my Mac.

Scott Harrison, if you see this, I'd really like to view your web pages if you can give me some pointers on how to get the fonts to display on my Mac. I only get question marks. I wrote you before, but didn't get a response. Write me at leehickenlooper@....


I used a modified CMU dictionary and Andy Callaway's Rosetta phonic translator on my Mac, running a emulator called Virtual PC with Windows 98. Andy's Beta Rosetta program seems to work fine! I just wish I could translate native on the Mac, but can't find anyone yet who will share or sell their Macintosh translation program to me.

So here goes:


liNkunz Adres At getIzbxg, 1863


fYrskYr n sevun jirz ugO Qx foHxz brYt fYrT on His kontununt u nM nESun, kunsIvd un libxtI n dedukEtud t H propuziSun HAt Yl men or krIEtud Ikwul.


nQ wI or engEJd un u grEt sivul wYr, testiN weHx HAt nESun Yr enI nESun sO kunsIvd n sO dedukEtud kAn lYN endjUr. wI or met on u grEt bAtul fIld v HAt wYr. wI hAv kum t dedukEt u pYrSun v HAt fIld, Az u fFnul restiN-plEs fYr HOz hM hir gEv Her livz HAt HAt nESun mFt lFv. it iz YltugeHx fitiN n propx HAt wI SUd dM His.

but, un u lorJx sens, wI kAn not dedukEt --- wI kAn not konsukrEt --- wI kAn not hAlO --- His grQnd. H brEv men, liviN n ded, hM struguld hir, hAv konsukrEtud it, for ubuv Qx pUr pQx t Ad Yr dutrAkt. H wxld wil litul nOt, nYr lYN rumembx, wut wI sE hir, but it kAn nevx fxget wut HE did hir. it iz fYr us H liviN, rAHx, t bI dedukEtud hir t H unfiniSt wxk wic HE hM fYt hir hAv Hus for sO noblI udvAnst. it iz rAHx fYr us t bI hir dedukEtud t H grEt tAsk rumEniN bufYr us --- HAt frum HIz onxd ded wI tEk inkrIst divOSun t HAt koz fYr wic HE gEv H lAst fUl meZx v divOSun --- HAt wI hir hFlI rIzolv HAt HIz ded SAl not hAv dFd un vEn --- HAt His nESun, undx god, SAl hAv u nM bxT v frIdum --- n HAt guvxmunt v H pIpul, bF H pIpul, fYr H pIpul, SAl not periS frum H xT.



EbruhAm liNkun

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Lincoln's Address at Gettysburg, 1863

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battle field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate --- we can not consecrate --- we can not hallow --- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us --- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion --- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain --- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom --- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln

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Attachment converted: IMac:GettysburgAddressShavian.pdf (PDF /CARO) (00017F29)



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Bob,
Thanks for your critiquing my first attempt at Shavian. You made some valid points. I've been fine tuning my CMU dictionary since receiving your E-Mail. Also, I realized I need to learn to read and write without computer assistance. As per your suggestion, I'm adding a namer dot to all my proper names in my dictionary too. I'd like to hear your accent from New York. I'm in Utah and Lincoln does have a very slight NG to it here. It's not emphasized and is formed by the tongue getting prepared for the k sound that follows the n. I would like to have had preserved, with a phonic recording system such as Shavian, a record of how Abe pronounced his name. Again, thanks for caring enough to share your time with me.

Lee

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Hugh,
Thanks for your email. It's good to get a knowledgable response from someone with experience at Shavian. However, after your explanation of the origins of the Gettysburg text, I feel a little like an art critic who's just discovered he's spent an hour critiquing a paint-by-numbers painting.

-Bob McBroom






Rob,

While you are of course completely correct on all the points you mentioned, it is little or nothing to do with the person who had the text transliterated. Rosetta uses the American English CMU dictionary, which was not built specifically for Shavian and its ingenious touches, such as compound vowels, namer dot It uses 'roll' to rhoticise instead. It also does not distinguish between 'up' and 'ado'.

Hugh B



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Lee -

Thanks for your kind response.

On retrospect, I think I was too hard on you about Lincoln.

Today I looked into the Gospel According To /andrOklIz, and noticed that King George's English translates drink as driNk and think as TiNk, where I would have written drink and Tink.

In my basic /Huk /Fin accent, Lincoln rhymes with drink' in and think'in, so I am bound to say that, yes, /liNkun is right. Or at least righter.

You must be very adept to "fine tune" the CMU Dictionary. I can't even download it. Ironically, I'm a CMU graduate too, - but not - alas - from the computing department.

Yes, I too would like to hear Abe say his own name, - but would he be righter than anybody else?

-Bob





Bob,
Thanks for your critiquing my first attempt at Shavian. You made some valid points. I've been fine tuning my CMU dictionary since receiving your E-Mail. Also, I realized I need to learn to read and write without computer assistance. As per your suggestion, I'm adding a namer dot to all my proper names in my dictionary too. I'd like to hear your accent from New York. I'm in Utah and Lincoln does have a very slight NG to it here. It's not emphasized and is formed by the tongue getting prepared for the k sound that follows the n. I would like to have had preserved, with a phonic recording system such as Shavian, a record of how Abe pronounced his name. Again, thanks for caring enough to share your time with me.

Lee

===

Hugh,
Thanks for your email. It's good to get a knowledgable response from someone with experience at Shavian. However, after your explanation of the origins of the Gettysburg text, I feel a little like an art critic who's just discovered he's spent an hour critiquing a paint-by-numbers painting.

-Bob McBroom




Rob,

While you are of course completely correct on all the points you mentioned, it is little or nothing to do with the person who had the text transliterated. Rosetta uses the American English CMU dictionary, which was not built specifically for Shavian and its ingenious touches, such as compound vowels, namer dot It uses 'roll' to rhoticise instead. It also does not distinguish between 'up' and 'ado'.

Hugh B



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yes, you heard right, there is now a Shavian Message Board on
www.PhantomMX.com . Go to the forums and you cant miss it. its the one
called Shavian =).

Hope to see you all there!

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i was unable to get the dll to work on win2K, i was not prompted as to where
the dll was, it just did its thing and started typing cerilic. i even tryed
replacing the russian dlls with the one you provided, that did not help for
some reason.
any help is apreaceated

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Subject: [shavian] Updated web page with some Windows information
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:43:35 +0200


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F dOnt TiNk His wud wxk in H loN run, unfPcanatlI - pIpal wUd kIp salektiN difDant font fEsiz, fEsiz wic sum pIpal mFt not hAv. YlsO, it wUd tEk tM loN Just t pOst sumTiN in /SEvIan, wen H hOl pqnt v H bUlatin bPd wUd bI t mEk it kwikD t dM sO. F'm invizaJiN kwFt a fV mP problamz tM. F'm SUD HX iz a bUlatin bPd Qt HX HAt kAn cEnJ H pOstiNz font.

F'm kurantlI investigEtiN '/FkonbPd' (www.ikonboard.com <http://www.ikonboard.com> ) - His kUd bI H wun HAt wI nId. cek Qt www.fearfulsilence.co.uk <http://www.fearfulsilence.co.uk> n folO H 'fPam' liNk t sI it in AkSan.

kIp mI pOstid if V jPself fFnd Qt enITiN els VsfUl.

/hV

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From: Mitch Morris <mailto:Narmical@Phantommx.com>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Shavian, The list and me [font fix]

F cekd n nO, F kant canJ Just H font v H mesaJiz, but F kan alQ /h.t.m.l. t bI Vzd in pOsts, sO pIpul kan canJ H fOnt AprOpreatlI.
----Original Message Follows---- From: "Hugh Birkenhead" Reply-To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...> To: Subject: Re: [shavian] Shavian, The list and me [font fix] Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:55:20 +0100 F hAv AkSalI set up a bPd on a test sFt Just rIsantlI VziN 'phpBB' - cek Qt www.shavian.f2s.com/phpBB/index.php/. problam iz F got stuk bikoz F kUdant get H kontents v H pOsts t apC in a /SEvIan font wiHQt evrITiN els on H pEJ apCiN in /SEvIan Az wel! duz 'UBB' alQ V t cEnJ H font fEs fP pOstiNz? /hV ----- Original Message ----- From: Mitch Morris To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [shavian] Shavian, The list and me [font fix] > > > > TaNks fP rIplFiN.

> > F am planiN on VziN UBB fP H mesiJbPd. > H bPd wil bI at www.PhantomMX.com n wil > bI up sMn. > > /mist /3 iz a puzul-advencx gEm. E am sDprizd Hat /V hav not hxd v /mist. > Az fP H FPS F lFk /kwEk /3 n /trFbz /2. > > F wil put up H bPd sMn. > > -mic >

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> > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Hugh Birkenhead" > Reply-To: shavian@... > To: > Subject: Re: [shavian] Shavian, The list and me [font fix] > Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:51:50 +0100 > > d/V nO wot - F TiNk His mAn hAz hit H nEl on H hed. F'm SUD HX'z rMm in His > list fP kAZMal, infPmativ n amVziN diskuSan insted v H VZMal > fanetiks-rilEtid rAmbliN? > > rFt, nQ it's bIn saJestid... > > /mic, V sE V kAn hOst a diskuSan bPd on jP webspEs - wot diskuSan bPd softwX > R V TiNkiN v VziN? F hAv a pxfekt saJescan YlredI - gO t > www.fearfulsilence.co.uk n cek Qt H /fPam opSan on H left-hAnd menV. His iz, > F TiNk, a grEt fPmAt t Vz. if V'd lFk F'l ysk H sFt webmystD wic softwX it > iz n hQ t get it. > > F TiNk HAt I-mEl lists lFk His wun kAnot rIalI rFval mesiJ bPdz, in txmz v > kapAsatI n YlsO H difDant topiks HAt pOsts kAn bI sPtid intM. > > F plE kampVtD gEms (Az V mFt hAv figDd Qt from H websFt liNk F gEv V > abuv)!wot tFp v gEm iz /mist 3? At H mOmant F'm sumwot intM 1st-pxsan-SMtDz > lFk /unrIl /tUDnamant. in H pyst F hAv plEd plentI v /kwEk /2 Az wel. > > /hV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mitch Morris > To: shavian@... > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:44 PM > Subject: [shavian] Shavian, The list and me [font fix] > > > His iz sumTiN Hat F wuz TiNkiN AboQt tMdE Hat E wontd t sX. sumTiN Hat E > HiNk H SavWn kOmVnitI nIdz iz E plEs t diskus genxul stuf. DiskuSin simulD t > TOz mesiJ bPdz wX pIpul Just tYk AbQt stuf eksept Ql pOsts R in SavWn. F am > mP Han wiliN t hOst suc E bPd on mF web sFt if pIpul won. UHXwiz wI kud Just > Vz His list. nQ F wil stRt wun. EnI wun hC plE kompVtD gEmz? E Just got mist > 3, wun Ysum game. enI wun wont t tYk abQt it? > _________________________________________________________________ Get your > FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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> yes, you heard right, there is now a Shavian Message Board on
> www.PhantomMX.com . Go to the forums and you cant miss it. its the one
> called Shavian =).

Bit difficult to post to a forum that does not allow you to post unless you
are registered, but does not accept any new registrations. :-\

Mitch: I'm in the process of trying out IkonBoard (www.ikonboard.com). I
believe that allows you to specify font faces for posts only. If it turns
out that it works, do you want to co-admin it with me?

Hugh

> yes, you heard right, there is now a Shavian Message Board on
> www.PhantomMX.com . Go to the forums and you cant miss it. its the one
> called Shavian =).

Bit difficult to post to a forum that does not allow you to post unless you
are registered, but does not accept any new registrations. :-\

Mitch: I'm in the process of trying out IkonBoard (www.ikonboard.com). I
believe that allows you to specify font faces for posts only. If it turns
out that it works, do you want to co-admin it with me?

Hugh




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