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Hi Star,

Just like you I prefer Shavian. And by the way Buddism is my favorite Eastern Philosophy.

best regards,

Carl

Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...> wrote:

> Because of it I am now
> proficient in over 7 writing systems. Which are as follows: 1.
> Shavian, 2. Unifon, 3. Deseret, 4. Aurek-besh, 5. Standard Galactic
> Alphabet, 6. Atlantean, and 7. Tengwar.

The last three of these are made up by writers/video game programmers.
I'll stick to shavian, thanks.

:)

In the frigid frigid mountains of TN,
--Star

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Hi Paul,

Studied from that 'dictionary' I got from the library. And I practiced some of my Shavian on it. That was Major Fun.

Yesterday I noticed, there was a new writing system on omniglot.com which looked rather interesting. It is call phonetic script.

All in all, I just prefer to use Shavian. Which comes out as my number one favorite writing system.

Write you later,

Carl

paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:

Hi Carl
Thanks for responding.
I find a wealth of information in Omniglot. For example it shows
that there are a number of working Syllabic Alphabets, where
diacritics can represent vowels. This support my contention that
Consonants need to be Primary and Vowels Secondary in size to
increase the recognisability of words. In an ideal, logically
consistent Alphabet, it would be the consonants, which stand out.
The Shaw Alphabet inculcates this principle to a certain extent by
making most of the simple vowel letters less than one half the size
of the consonant letters.

As a Canadian, I have Basic French, from school and a few trips to
Montreal. Also I have some Hebrew via self-study.

Glad you got the NTC's Dictionary of American English Pronunciation,
from the library. You'll find it invaluable for transliteration.
It's subset of the I.P.A. maps so nicely onto the Shaw Alphabet,
that it could have edited by an Americanized Kingsley Read.
There is simple one to one correspondence, which reflects the
importance of the Schwa (Ado) in Modern American pronunciation.

Regards, Paul Vandenbrink

P.S. Unifon is a nifty system too. I don't know why it has died out
as a teaching Alphabet.

--- In shavian@..., carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> Sorry I haven't sent in another article for this discussion
group. Paul I am a huge fan of omniglot.com. Because of it I am
now proficient in over 7 writing systems. Which are as follows: 1.
Shavian, 2. Unifon, 3. Deseret, 4. Aurek-besh, 5. Standard Galactic
Alphabet, 6. Atlantean, and 7. Tengwar.
>
> Oh yeah, I've been playing with the idea of creating an a priori
language which uses shavian letters.
>
> But I still love English. Though I know basic German and
Swedish. So I just barely got the NTC's Dictionary of American
English Pronunciation, from the library. I remember months ago this
item was mentioned for standardization of Shavian Spelling. So
finally I have a chance to look into it.
>
> write you later,
>
> Carl
>
>
> paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
> Hi Everybody
>
> What happenned?? There hasn't been a post for more than a week.
> Is someone offended again? Is lurking contagious? Is Hugh on
holidays?
> Is there anything I can do???
> I depend on this site
> for intellectual stimulation, and I feel deprived.
> Deprived from my main source of stimulating new ideas.
>
> On another topic.
> I was trying to find some good sample words, where the "Up" sound
> is used to begin a syllable inside a word.
> I only found it in pen-ultimate and in-advertently, so far.
> It seems that the "Up" sounds degenerates into "Ado", in any
> unstressed syllable, in normal English pronunciation.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
>
> P.S. There is a lot of good stuff on www.omniglot.com
>
>
> --- In shavian@..., "paul vandenbrink"
> <pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
> P.S. There is a lot of good stuff on www.omniglot.com.
>
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The funny thing is that I'm a Zen-leaning Pagan! hee hee!

Maybe I should learn Tenktonese, I always loved alien nation...

--Star

--- carl easton <shavintel16@...> wrote:
> Hi Star,
>
> Just like you I prefer Shavian. And by the way Buddism is my
> favorite Eastern Philosophy.
>
> best regards,
>
> Carl


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Hello!

I've just become the 100th member of this group, do I get a prize?

More seriously though, hello to everybody! I hope I will be useful
somehow.

I've been interested in shavian for some time now, I think I'm
another omniglot.com fanatic. That guy has alot to answer for...

Thanks
Joseph


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hapi 100th! n weLkum....

a praktis rEding:

nO evolMSanEri wDld kAn hOp t progres bejond H fDst stEJ v enlFtend stAbiliti until it hAz acIvd wun laNgwaJ, wun reliJon, n wun filosofi; n bIiN v wun rEs grEtli fasilitEts suc acIvment. 55:3

ycq? wI sEk U?

TH SZ c I E AF O UM Qq yY RP [Er] DC WV 22

TH SZ c I E AF O UM Qq yY RP Er DC WV

[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ kirk



j_brg <stetsdigs@...> wrote:

Hello!

I've just become the 100th member of this group, do I get a prize?

More seriously though, hello to everybody! I hope I will be useful
somehow.

I've been interested in shavian for some time now, I think I'm
another omniglot.com fanatic. That guy has alot to answer for...

Thanks
Joseph



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I.F.E. internashunal fonetik english

t = to e = the v = of n = and

AEIOU az in Age Eat Ice Oak yoU

digrafs: ah au ch oo ou oi/oy sh th zh.

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Two things
First.
"n bIiN v wun rEs grEtli fasilitEts suc acIvment"
sounds slightly racist. Replace the word "race" with "culture"
or "religion" or "ideology" and I would give it a higher truth
quotient.
And hey. I am much more of a Shavian than I am a Jew. Religion is
somewhat minimalized in my Western culture.
Also as a Benefits of our modern information overload.
I am even familar with LDS, Zen Buddists and Wiccins and tons of of
RCs and other garden variety Christians. So. I can still talk to them
about the other stuff. I even get along with Pagans, most of the time.
(Sorry. I couldn't resist that.)

Secondly, the whole premise that there is one best way to do
everything and everybody should get on the bandwagon, is
intellectually unsound. In an infinite world there a lot more than
one of anything. Improvements come from debate. (Dialacitics?)

And from a scientific understanding, evolution is based on variation
and mutation. Not on ideals. As the world changes, so must life in
its myrid forms.

Regards, Paul V.

P.S. Back to Shavian, anyone?

--- In shavian@..., kirk desimus <kfs111@y...> wrote:
>
> hapi 100th! n weLkum....
>
> a praktis rEding:
>
> nO evolMSanEri wDld kAn hOp t progres bejond H fDst stEJ v enlFtend
stAbiliti until it hAz acIvd wun laNgwaJ, wun reliJon, n wun
filosofi; n bIiN v wun rEs grEtli fasilitEts suc acIvment. 55:3
>
> ycq? wI sEk U?
>
> TH SZ c I E AF O UM Qq yY RP [Er] DC WV 22
>
> TH SZ c I E AF O UM Qq yY RP Er DC WV
>
> [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ kirk
>
>
> j_brg <stetsdigs@h...> wrote:Hello!
>
> I've just become the 100th member of this group, do I get a prize?
>
> More seriously though, hello to everybody! I hope I will be useful
> somehow.
>
> I've been interested in shavian for some time now, I think I'm
> another omniglot.com fanatic. That guy has alot to answer for...
>
> Thanks
> Joseph
>
>
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>
> I.F.E. internashunal fonetik english
>
> t = to e = the v = of n = and
>
> AEIOU az in Age Eat Ice Oak yoU
>
> digrafs: ah au ch oo ou oi/oy sh th zh.
>
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>
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TANks,

F TiNk HAt dFvxsiti iz JenDali a gUd TiN, HO wI SUd bI konSas v QD koman
grQnd. wI Yl, Az hVmAn bIiNz, nId H sEm TiNz. F sapOz HAt kulcD iz wun v HOz
nisesitIz.

/SFvWn, fP mI, iz not Onli H best wE t rFt iNgliS, but YlsO An [evD-grOiN]
kUlcDal mIdiam.

it mEbI, HAt in tFm t kum, mP pIpl wil fIl H sEm wE.

/JOsaf



>From: "paul vandenbrink" <pvandenbrink@...>
>Reply-To: shavian@...
>To: shavian@...
>Subject: [shavian] Re: 100th member
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:04:08 -0000
>
>Two things
>First.
>"n bIiN v wun rEs grEtli fasilitEts suc acIvment"
>sounds slightly racist. Replace the word "race" with "culture"
>or "religion" or "ideology" and I would give it a higher truth
>quotient.
>And hey. I am much more of a Shavian than I am a Jew. Religion is
>somewhat minimalized in my Western culture.
>Also as a Benefits of our modern information overload.
>I am even familar with LDS, Zen Buddists and Wiccins and tons of of
>RCs and other garden variety Christians. So. I can still talk to them
>about the other stuff. I even get along with Pagans, most of the time.
>(Sorry. I couldn't resist that.)
>
>Secondly, the whole premise that there is one best way to do
>everything and everybody should get on the bandwagon, is
>intellectually unsound. In an infinite world there a lot more than
>one of anything. Improvements come from debate. (Dialacitics?)
>
>And from a scientific understanding, evolution is based on variation
>and mutation. Not on ideals. As the world changes, so must life in
>its myrid forms.
>
>Regards, Paul V.
>
>P.S. Back to Shavian, anyone?

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Hi Paul,

You are Right. This discussion group is about Shavian. (not ethnic stuff like culture or religion.) And for the Shavian discussion whats the difference between 'err' and 'array'. I pretty much use all of the Shavian letters in my handwriting though I'm no longer can tell the difference between 'err' and 'array'.

anybody can help with this,

thanks,

Carl

paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:

Two things
First.
"n bIiN v wun rEs grEtli fasilitEts suc acIvment"
sounds slightly racist. Replace the word "race" with "culture"
or "religion" or "ideology" and I would give it a higher truth
quotient.
And hey. I am much more of a Shavian than I am a Jew. Religion is
somewhat minimalized in my Western culture.
Also as a Benefits of our modern information overload.
I am even familar with LDS, Zen Buddists and Wiccins and tons of of
RCs and other garden variety Christians. So. I can still talk to them
about the other stuff. I even get along with Pagans, most of the time.
(Sorry. I couldn't resist that.)

Secondly, the whole premise that there is one best way to do
everything and everybody should get on the bandwagon, is
intellectually unsound. In an infinite world there a lot more than
one of anything. Improvements come from debate. (Dialacitics?)

And from a scientific understanding, evolution is based on variation
and mutation. Not on ideals. As the world changes, so must life in
its myrid forms.

Regards, Paul V.

P.S. Back to Shavian, anyone?

--- In shavian@..., kirk desimus <kfs111@y...> wrote:
>
> hapi 100th! n weLkum....
>
> a praktis rEding:
>
> nO evolMSanEri wDld kAn hOp t progres bejond H fDst stEJ v enlFtend
stAbiliti until it hAz acIvd wun laNgwaJ, wun reliJon, n wun
filosofi; n bIiN v wun rEs grEtli fasilitEts suc acIvment. 55:3
>
> ycq? wI sEk U?
>
> TH SZ c I E AF O UM Qq yY RP [Er] DC WV 22
>
> TH SZ c I E AF O UM Qq yY RP Er DC WV
>
> [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ kirk
>
>
> j_brg <stetsdigs@h...> wrote:Hello!
>
> I've just become the 100th member of this group, do I get a prize?
>
> More seriously though, hello to everybody! I hope I will be useful
> somehow.
>
> I've been interested in shavian for some time now, I think I'm
> another omniglot.com fanatic. That guy has alot to answer for...
>
> Thanks
> Joseph
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
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>
>
>
> I.F.E. internashunal fonetik english
>
> t = to e = the v = of n = and
>
> AEIOU az in Age Eat Ice Oak yoU
>
> digrafs: ah au ch oo ou oi/oy sh th zh.
>
> http://groups.msn.com/konsosiashunforspiritualiti
>
>
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> And for the Shavian discussion
> whats the difference between 'err' and 'array'. I pretty much use
> all of the Shavian letters in my handwriting though I'm no longer can
> tell the difference between 'err' and 'array'.


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(We should really write a Shavian FAQ to answer things like this)

The difference is stress.

- 'Err' is the stressed "er" sound in "Curve", "first" "fervent", etc.
- 'Array' is the unstressed "er" sound in "butter", "forget", "iterate", etc.

For Americans (and for all intents and purposes for Brits too) there is 99% of the time no phonetic difference between the two. Just think to yourself, "when I say this, do I stress the er sound or not" (e.g. "fORward"/"fOREwORd"), and, "if there are two or more 'er' sounds in this word, when I say them, which ones do I stress and which ones don't I" (e.g. "pertURb" [pDtxb], "mURder" [mxdD], "pERvERt" [pxvxt]). There's only a difference to keep some element of knowing where the stress is in Shavian writing. Quikscript removed the difference with the aim of removing the confusion it obviously causes to anyone who hasn't studied phonetics to any degree.

Hugh B

----- Original Message -----
From: carl easton <mailto:shavintel16@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Re: 100th member

Hi Paul,

You are Right. This discussion group is about Shavian. (not ethnic stuff like culture or religion.) And for the Shavian discussion whats the difference between 'err' and 'array'. I pretty much use all of the Shavian letters in my handwriting though I'm no longer can tell the difference between 'err' and 'array'.

anybody can help with this,

thanks,

Carl

paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:

Two things
First.
"n bIiN v wun rEs grEtli fasilitEts suc acIvment"
sounds slightly racist. Replace the word "race" with "culture"
or "religion" or "ideology" and I would give it a higher truth
quotient.
And hey. I am much more of a Shavian than I am a Jew. Religion is
somewhat minimalized in my Western culture.
Also as a Benefits of our modern information overload.
I am even familar with LDS, Zen Buddists and Wiccins and tons of of
RCs and other garden variety Christians. So. I can still talk to them
about the other stuff. I even get along with Pagans, most of the time.
(Sorry. I couldn't resist that.)

Secondly, the whole premise that there is one best way to do
everything and everybody should get on the bandwagon, is
intellectually unsound. In an infinite world there a lot more than
one of anything. Improvements come from debate. (Dialacitics?)

And from a scientific understanding, evolution is based on variation
and mutation. Not on ideals. As the world changes, so must life in
its myrid forms.

Regards, Paul V.

P.S. Back to Shavian, anyone?

--- In shavian@..., kirk desimus <kfs111@y...> wrote:
>
> hapi 100th! n weLkum....
>
> a praktis rEding:
>
> nO evolMSanEri wDld kAn hOp t progres bejond H fDst stEJ v enlFtend
stAbiliti until it hAz acIvd wun laNgwaJ, wun reliJon, n wun
filosofi; n bIiN v wun rEs grEtli fasilitEts suc acIvment. 55:3
>
> ycq? wI sEk U?
>
> TH SZ c I E AF O UM Qq yY RP [Er] DC WV 22
>
> TH SZ c I E AF O UM Qq yY RP Er DC WV
>
> [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ kirk
>
>
> j_brg <stetsdigs@h...> wrote:Hello!
>
> I've just become the 100th member of this group, do I get a prize?
>
> More seriously though, hello to everybody! I hope I will be useful
> somehow.
>
> I've been interested in shavian for some time now, I think I'm
> another omniglot.com fanatic. That guy has alot to answer for...
>
> Thanks
> Joseph
>
>
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
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>
>
>
> I.F.E. internashunal fonetik english
>
> t = to e = the v = of n = and
>
> AEIOU az in Age Eat Ice Oak yoU
>
> digrafs: ah au ch oo ou oi/oy sh th zh.
>
> http://groups.msn.com/konsosiashunforspiritualiti
>
>
>
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