Hi Paul,
Thanks for the input. Like I mentioned in a response to someone else I'm still confused. But your right we need only one dictionary which is compatible with Shavian. The only reason I was using the Merriam-Webster dictionary is because that Is the only dictionary that I own right now. Besides that I wish everygood luck in finding the best way of standardizing Shavian spelling.
best regards,
Carl
paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
Hi Carl
I noticed a few problems with your Shaw spellings of common English
words in the attached note. I think it can be traced back to the
pronunciation key used by the merriam-webster dictionary.
> with - *wiH, wiT
> have -- hAv, *hav
> for - fD, fP
> by -- bF, *ba
> at -- *at, At
> under - undD, *andD
> than - Hun, HAn
> such - suc, *sic
* variant pronunciations
You said that you have looked at the NTC's Dictionary of American
English Pronunciation by Bernard Silverstein. It gives just one
American pronunciation of each English word.
If you would use this Dictionary, you would save yourself a lot of
grief and skip the lesser used or even out of date variant
pronunciations.
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. One of the reasons that we have abbreviations for the following
words is to reduce variant spellings. We need to use the Standard
Abbreviation instead of your variations. They (Abbr.) are part of
the system of Shaw spelling too.
> to, too - ta, tM ----> t
> a - a, E ----> a
> of - uv, Yv ----> v
> the - Ha, Hi, HI ----> H
> and - an, and, And ----> n
P.P.S. It appears that while everyone agrees that a Dictionary,
should be
our final arbitrator, for determining preferred Shavian spelling
based on the Dictionary pronunciation,
we still need to narrow down, and determine which Dictionaries have
compatible pronunciation keys with the Shaw Alphabet.
P.P.P.S Unfortunately, my favorite, the NTC's Dictionary of American
English Pronunciation by Bernard Silverstein is temporararily out of
print. Copies are available on Amazon.com
Also Mr. Silverstein just came out with
"Perfecting the Sounds of American English", which will answer a lot
of the questions and quibbles of our American English Speakers. I
urge them all to get a copy.
It even includes a complete guide to IPA, so you can kill two birds
with one stone. See the direction American English is heading, and
learn the standard world language spelling system as it applies to
English.
--- In shavian@..., carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> This is the next installment of Basic English words with merriam-
webster dictionary pronouncation.
>
> down - dQn
> from - frum, frYm
> in - in
> off - of
> on - on, Yn
> over - OvD
> through - TrM
> to - ta, tM
> under - undD, andD
> up - up
> with - wiH, wiT
> as - az, Az
> for - fD, fP
> of - uv, Yv
> till - til
> than - Hun, HAn
> a - a, E
> the - Ha
> all - ol
> any -enI
> every - evrI
> little - lital, litl
> much - muc
> no - nO
> other - uHD
> some - sum
> such - suc, sic
>
> As before I hope these words help the cause,
>
> Carl
>
> carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> For the next month I will be sharing Basic English words whose
pronouncation were determined by the merrium-webster dictionary.
>
> come -- kum
> get -- get
> give -- giv
> go -- gO
> keep -- kIp
> let -- let
> make -- mEk
> put -- pUt
> seem -- sIm
> take -- tEk
> be -- bI
> do -- dM
> have -- hAv, hav
> say -- sE
> see -- sI
> send -- send
> may -- mE
> will -- wil
> about -- abQt
> across -- akros
> after -- AftD
> against -- agenst
> among -- amuN
> at -- at, At
> before -- bifP
> between -- bitwIn
> by -- bF, ba
>
> Hope these help the cause,
>
> best regards,
>
> Carl
>
__________________attached ______________________________________
Subject: Re: 3 ways to determine shavian spelling
Hi Carl
I suppose I could use one the Oxford Dictionaries. I have not
checked it's pronunciation
thoroughly, but it probably suffices.
It has a really good, Learners or Student Dictionary.
But I have to disagree with your choice of the Merriam-Webster
Dictionary. It uses an extended Roman Alphabet with
diacritics to indicate pronunciation. It has duplicate letters, is
inadequate and is quite confusing, because it doesn't have a one to
one relationship between pronunciation key letters and English
sounds.
The Webster International Edition looks better.
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. It appears as if everyone agrees that a Dictionary, should be
our arbitrator, for determining preferred pronunciation.
Now we need to narrow down, and determine which Dictionaries have
compatible pronunciation keys with the Shaw Alphabet.
____________________attached_________________________________
Hi Everyone
Hmmn.
No Dissenters at this moment. Although it appears, everyone has own
favorite English Dictionary.
Resolved. Let us use a Dictionary, as our final arbitrator, for
determining preferred pronunciation.
Please refer to actual name of Dictionary, whenever possible. (ie.
AH, MW, Web IW,
NTC, Penguin, Gage, Ox, dic.com)
Dissenters please hold your peace.
Regards, Paul V.
>
--- In shavian@..., carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> This is the next installment of Basic English words with merriam-
webster dictionary pronouncation.
>
> down - dQn
> from - frum, frYm
> in - in
> off - of
> on - on, Yn
> over - OvD
> through - TrM
> to - ta, tM
> under - undD, andD
> up - up
> with - wiH, wiT
> as - az, Az
> for - fD, fP
> of - uv, Yv
> till - til
> than - Hun, HAn
> a - a, E
> the - Ha
> all - ol
> any -enI
> every - evrI
> little - lital, litl
> much - muc
> no - nO
> other - uHD
> some - sum
> such - suc, sic
>
> As before I hope these words help the cause,
>
> Carl
>
> carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> For the next month I will be sharing Basic English words whose
pronouncation were determined by the merrium-webster dictionary.
>
> come -- kum
> get -- get
> give -- giv
> go -- gO
> keep -- kIp
> let -- let
> make -- mEk
> put -- pUt
> seem -- sIm
> take -- tEk
> be -- bI
> do -- dM
> have -- hAv, hav
> say -- sE
> see -- sI
> send -- send
> may -- mE
> will -- wil
> about -- abQt
> across -- akros
> after -- AftD
> against -- agenst
> among -- amuN
> at -- at, At
> before -- bifP
> between -- bitwIn
> by -- bF, ba
>
> Hope these help the cause,
>
> best regards,
>
> Carl
>
>
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