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Thanks to everyone who responded regarding the weekly transliteration project: really, it warmed the cockles of my heart to read your messages. I think we have enough people to get going. How do Sundays grab you? If this is okay, I'll draw up a tentative rota and post it this weekend, the first date being the Sunday after that. For want of a better system, I'm just going to list people in the order that they responded to my "The Kingsley Reader" message. Then, if anyone finds the order inconvenient because it clashes with hair-washing appointments, I'll rejig it.

Arepo


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Dear Philip,
I was the one who sent you the first part of Shaw's "Androcles," and will send the rest as soon as possible. I was in the hospital; when I got back my old computer wouldn't work at all! It died (perhaps cat-assisted suicide) while I was gone. I finally got an iMac. Disadvantage: It's taking a while to learn how to use. Advantage: I should be able to download the Shavian fonts on this new machine.
My mailing address is : Rev. Dr. Daniel G. Szczurek, MST, Ph.D.
7425 Ruby Drive, SW, Condo #D-12
Lakewood, WA 98498-5062
USA
I will get the remainder of "Androcles" off to you as soon as possible.
Sincerely, Dan
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From: Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>
To: "'shavian'" <shavian@...>
Subject: [shavian] Low German Asterix comics
Date: Tue, Nov 2, 1999, 12:44 AM




dC felO SEvWnists,

F promist sumwun t send him sum /AstDiks komiks in Plattdeutsch (lO /Jxman) in ratxn fP sumTiN hI sent mI. hQevD, t mF disgrEs F kyn't ramembD hM HAt woz. wil H rFtfal rasipiant v H bUks plIz stAnd up? (n send mI hiz mEliN adres.)

Dear fellow Shavianists,

I promised someone to send him some Asterix comics in Plattdeutsch (Low German) in return for something he sent me. However, to my disgrace I can't remember who that was. Will the rightful recipient of the books please stand up? (And send me his mailing address.)

(P.S.: It's really annoying trying to type the same message first in Shavian and then in English... I keep trying to type Shavian abbreviations and spelling; for example "to come" might end up as "t kum"...)


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Dear Hal,
I have been off-line for some time because my computer died. I think
your ideas are excellent ones and would be of great use.
I have worked with intelligent students who have a hard time learning to
read. Since they were given up as hopeless, I was allowed to do with them
what I wanted. I taught them in a phonetic spelling using the Latin
alphabet--didn't know about Shavian yet. Then we transferred gradually to
present English spelling. I wrote a reverse dictionary (Phonetic to
Standard) for my students to use, when they had trouble spelling. Their
reading and spelling got better just from frequency of use. If they were
unsure of the spelling of a word, they looked it up phonetically and found
the Standard Spelling.
The use of 2 alphabets for the same language didn't strike me as odd,
perhaps because one of my major languages was Hindi-Urdu, basically the same
language written in Sanskrit script by Hindus and Arabic script by Muslims.
Dan
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>From: hal9000@...
>To: shavian@...
>Subject: [shavian] Another project idea...
>Date: Thu, Oct 28, 1999, 2:08 PM
>

>Sorry, but I'm about 100 times better at thinking of ideas than
>implementing them.
>
>But this is one that is achievable and might be useful.
>
>>From time to time, I find myself wondering what is the "proper"
>Shavian spelling of a word. Not knowing RP, and being a quirky
>rhotic American speaker, I tend to look to Androcles at such
>times. (One of my prized possessions is a worn hardback of the
>Shaw Alphabet edition of _Androcles and the Lion_.)
>
>A&L is, of course, the _original_ corpus for Shavian, not to
>mention that it is probably still the largest. (I'm not counting
>QuickScript.)
>
>Of course, using A&L as a dictionary is an uncertain proposition.
>Is this word even in Androcles? On what page?
>
>The idea, version 1: Produce a list of words in A&L and show their
>Shavian transcriptions. Better yet, produce another list along with
>it, alphabetized not by Latin letters but Shavian. What, haven't you
>learned your peeptotkicks? :)
>
>A few hours with a scanner and few more hours programming could produce
>an alphabetized list. Even alphabetizing the Shavian is not really a
>giant headache. But after that, that's when it gets harder. Maybe a
>transcriber would be a good start, which could be manually compared to
>A&L. All told, I would estimate 40 man-hours if I were to do it.
>
>The idea, version 2: Extend it to include other words also. Let the
>A&L spelling (if available) be marked as such. Include alternative
>spellings, possibly even naming the dialect whence they originate.
>
>Notes on version 2: I favor listing the alternative spellings in
>order of decreasing weight, as follows.
> 1. Give A&L the highest weight.
> 2. Next give weight to words that are derived from A&L words or
> might be deduced by clear analogy. For example, if A&L spells
> "dog" and "house," then we have a derived spelling for "doghouse."
> In the second (shakier) case, if it spells "dog," we might use the
> same vowel for "hog" and "log." Is there _any_ dialect of English
> where these don't rhyme?
> 3. Next give weight to RP where it is clear. Even RP speakers may
> disagree, of course. Following the tradition of Shavian from the
> very beginning, spellings should probably be rhotic. (Side note:
> I used to have a friend from New Zealand, with whom I spent many
> entertaining hours talking about English. He was very non-rhotic.
> Once I used the word "orrery" to him, and he responded jokingly,
> "Oh, we call that an 'oey'...")
> 4. Finally, list any dialects by frequency of occurrence. Since we
> cannot poll the entire English-speaking world, this will come from
> the citizens of Shavia who choose to contribute. Right now, there
> are only tens of us, but I can foresee a time when there might be
> dozens or even scores -- perhaps even a full gross.
>
>Thoughts, anyone?
>
>Hal
>
>
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And of course Serbo-Croatian is basically the same language, but written
in Latin script by the Croats and in Cyrillic by the Serbs.

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel G. Szczurek <twojbrat@...>
To: shavian@... <shavian@...>
Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 11:36 PM
Subject: [shavian] Re: Another project idea...


>The use of 2 alphabets for the same language didn't strike me as odd,
>perhaps because one of my major languages was Hindi-Urdu, basically the
same
>language written in Sanskrit script by Hindus and Arabic script by Muslims.
> Dan


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Philip Driscoll wrote:
> Daniel G. Szczurek wrote:
> > The use of 2 alphabets for the same language didn't
> > strike me as odd, perhaps because one of my major
> > languages was Hindi-Urdu, basically the same
> > language written in Sanskrit script by Hindus and
> > Arabic script by Muslims.
> > Dan
>
> And of course Serbo-Croatian is basically the same language,
> but written in Latin script by the Croats and in Cyrillic by
> the Serbs.

And Moldovian (written in Cyrillic) and Romanian (Latin); Tajik (Cyrillic)
and Persian (Arabic). And Kurdish is, to my knowledge, written in both
Arabic and Latin depending on where the Kurds live.

Cheers,
Philip

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At 09:08 PM 11/4/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
> [snip]




>
> PS--Does anyone know if it's possible to have a complete nervous breakdown
> while trying to operate a new computer?


It's mandatory. :-0

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At 09:08 PM 11/4/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
> [snip]




>
> PS--Does anyone know if it's possible to have a complete nervous breakdown
> while trying to operate a new computer?


It's mandatory. :-0

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At 12:02 PM 10/28/99 +0100, Lionel wrote:
[snip-o-rama]

>(Cachinnate in the face of copyright law: we're only talking about short
extracts, say for "review purposes".)
That's one reason why I chose "Utopia". It's out of copyright.
Of course I could transcribe some of my own diatribe...

> It can be written in the scribe's own accent, or in King George V's
tongue, or whatever they fancy. When they've done their transcription,
they'll upload it to a special folder which we'll create in the eGroups
Vault, and also post it to the mailing list.
>
>How about it, folks? Please say yes. It should only mean half an hour's
torture every few weeks, and your work will end up in the Shavian public
domain, there for us and all tomorrow's Shavian neophytes to read.
Were you intending to instruct us on what to transcribe (translate?
transliterate?), or can we pick and choose?

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A.M. Callaway wrote:

> Were you intending to instruct us on what to transcribe (translate?
> transliterate?), or can we pick and choose?

INSTRUCT you??? No, of course not; I wasn't intending to instruct anyone on anything. I said the exact opposite.




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