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I would love to write in shavian.

I view this list through the Yahoo groups website. I cannot post in
shavian at all. I _sometimes_ see other peoples attempts in shavian
properly, though mostly it is just clabbertrap.

Thanks
Joseph

--- In shavian@..., Ethan <ethanl@3...> wrote:
> We have quite a few messages passed back and forth on this list,
but most of
> them are in the T.O. The reasons? They vary, but I suspect one of
the primary
> ones is the fact that the software doesn't support Shavian by
default. If it
> did, it would be easy to send Shavian back and forth and have other
people able
> to read it without difficulty.
>
> Here's my question. What software are you using for your email to
and from this
> list? Do you use Outlook, Eudora, Mozilla or Netscape Mail, or
some other
> program? Do you read the list at the website? Do you have no
direct control
> over the software on the computer you use?

>
> Thank you!
>
> Ethan




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Hi Ethan

I usually view the postings through the Yahoo groups website.

I don't know how to Post messages in
shavian at all.

I am using Windows 98 SE at home with Eudora as my E-Mail software.
I used to use Outlook for Office and Home, but I found it was too
big a target for viruses, and acted flacky, so I switched to Eudora
4 Years ago.
Eudora works very well.

Regards, Paul V.

P.S. The Ikon boards at www.shavian.org allows for easy Shaw
alphabet message posts, and is well worth taking a look.

P.P.S. Even though I prefer Shavian, and am fully familar with
keyboard mapping, I still find it a bit more time-consuming to write
using
using the Shaw Alphabet. Reading is even harder, until I get more
familar, with the persons conventions and accent.

___________attached___________________________________

--- In shavian@..., "j_brg" <stetsdigs@h...> wrote:
> I would love to write in shavian.
>
> I view this list through the Yahoo groups website. I cannot post
in
> shavian at all. I _sometimes_ see other peoples attempts in
shavian
> properly, though mostly it is just clabbertrap.
>
> Thanks
> Joseph
>
> --- In shavian@..., Ethan <ethanl@3...> wrote:
> > We have quite a few messages passed back and forth on this list,
> but most of
> > them are in the T.O. The reasons? They vary, but I suspect one
of
> the primary
> > ones is the fact that the software doesn't support Shavian by
> default. If it
> > did, it would be easy to send Shavian back and forth and have
other
> people able
> > to read it without difficulty.
> >
> > Here's my question. What software are you using for your email
to
> and from this
> > list? Do you use Outlook, Eudora, Mozilla or Netscape Mail, or
> some other
> > program? Do you read the list at the website? Do you have no
> direct control
> > over the software on the computer you use?
>
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Ethan




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Hi Joseph,

Your Right I was ponder Shavian after my last post last week and realized that Shavian is indeed Phonemic. Everybody speaks differently, but we can understand each other, anyway. Why? Because intuitively we are phonemic. And words in English are pronounced differently, but this is only phonetically, not phonemically.

cheers,

Carl

j_brg <stetsdigs@...> wrote:

'A phonetic Alphabet such as Shavian,...'

Shavian is _not_ a phonetic alphabet.

Shavian _is_ a phonemic alphabet.

Thanks
Joseph





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> Here's my question. What software are you using for your email to
> and from this
> list? Do you use Outlook, Eudora, Mozilla or Netscape Mail, or some
> other
> program? Do you read the list at the website? Do you have no direct
> control
> over the software on the computer you use?
>

Ethan,
I use Yahoo for my e-mail. What this means is that html sent to this
address through yahoogroups will show up, the downside is that I have
no idea how to use html myself.

--Star

P.s. I got a new computer for yule, and am now currently running
windows... Yay, progress.

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>
> --Star
>
> P.s. I got a new computer for yule, and am now currently running
> windows... Yay, progress.
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Hi

I love to be a pedant...surely you got your puter for crimbo? as yule
is a few days before.




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I figured I should also mention what software I use.

I access the list from two different computers. One runs Windows 98, the other
runs Mandrake Linux 9.0. On the Linux machine I use Mozilla 1.5 for email
access, and on the Windows machine I use the email client in Opera 6.05. I
rarely ever visit the website, and have never had to post from there.

I have no trouble with Shavian of various kinds using Mozilla under Linux. I
can read it in html "romaji" or in Unicode. Where I have problems is when I'm
using the Windows 98, which doesn't fully support Unicode. HTML "romaji" comes
through pretty good though.

Soon I will see if I can offer some tips on the various ways to get Shavian text
working with the different setups.

Ethan






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Nope, It was mine on Dec. 21st, I just haven't had a chance to brag
about it since I've been out of communication. :)

--Star

--- j_brg <stetsdigs@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > --Star
> >
> > P.s. I got a new computer for yule, and am now currently running
> > windows... Yay, progress.
> >
> > =====
>
>
> Hi
>
> I love to be a pedant...surely you got your puter for crimbo? as yule
>
> is a few days before.
>
>


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--- In shavian@..., Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
wrote:
> Nope, It was mine on Dec. 21st,

That's one day before yule.


Pedantically
Joseph




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fYr Ha njM jir (And bijond), tM SYrt pOamz
bF /wiljam /blEk from, F bilIv, Niz -sohz ov
inasans-; pOamz jM SUd NAv lurnt in skMl
(And parNAps did).

if mF iklektik spelih iz unsetlih And iritEts
jM, stop rIdih nQ!

...........

NI NM bFndz tM Nimself a Jq,
duz He wihed lFf distrq.
but NI NM kisaz Ha Jq Az it flFz,
livz in iturnatiz sun rFz.

(nOt: F Tihk pOetik jMsiJ rikwFrz He wurd
[wihed] tM bI 2 silabalz)

...........

tM sI He wurld in a grEn ov sAnd,
And Nevan in a wFld flQD,
NOld infiniti in He pylm ov jOr NAnd,
And iturnati in an QD.

...........

F NOp He dubal akurans ov iturnati abuv
duz not prMv tM bI omanas.

nuTiH left tM sE but tM wiS Yl And sundri
a NApi njM jir!
/dSep





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Well, I decided to make all my Shavian fonts contain
the characters at the correct Unicode points. So I took
a look at the current Unicode standard (4.0), and I see
they have assigned Shavian beginning at position
10450 (hex). That will require three bytes. I'm afraid my
font making tool (Fontographer 4.1) cannot handle code
points greater than two bytes (FFFF hex). I realize there
are better and newer tools, but I cannot afford to buy a
different program at this time.

Another question. Unicode does not define the namer
dot as part of Shavian. What other Unicode character
will users of Shavian utilize as the standard for the dot?

--Phillip Driscoll





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