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animal_liberation2004 wrote:

> How in Shavian would I represent "eel" as in heel, really, reel, eel?

You would write eat+loll, [Il].

"Really" could be written either [rIlI] or [rIalI], maybe even [rWlI] (with
a long 'if' sound).

(Square brackets mean copy what's in them into a word processor and change
the font to a Shavian one, to see Shavian characters. Best way I can think
of to allow Shavian to be written in this group...)

Hugh B



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Letters EAT + LOLL.


----- Originala Mesagxo -----
De: "animal_liberation2004" <animal_liberation2004@...>
Al: <shavian@...>
Sendita: Dimancxon, 18an de aprilo 2004, 5:13 ptm
Temo: [shavian] The "eel" sound


> How in Shavian would I represent "eel" as in heel, really, reel, eel?





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paul vandenbrink skribis:
>
> Let me
> present a few minimal pairs
> as I'd like to claim that this eu sound has its
> own phonetic pronunciation. Does not mean it is
> necessarily deserving of its own letter. I kind of like the
> idea of "you" and "eeuuh" sharing the Shaw Yew letter.
>
> Minimal pairs
> 1. you eeuuh (sound of disgust) common English interjection
> (Stephanie on the Bob (Newhart Show) made constant use
> of it.
> 2. fuel few
> 3. music mew
> 4. pew phew

These don't seem to be minimal pairs to me. The sound
of disgust doesn't have the same glide onset that the word
"you" does, so I'd spell it EAT+OOZE.

"Fuel" is FEE+YEW+LOLL while "few" is simple FEE+YEW.

"Music" is MIME+YEW+ZOO+IF+KICK while "mew" is
simply MIME+YEW.

"Pew" and "phew" are both the same: PEEP+YEW.


> As a programmer, tell me what happens if you type 0 instead
> of Oh, into a computer program or password prompt. Looks
> the same doesn't it?

Usually, no. In almost all fonts, the zero is narrower than the
letter O. In most monospaced fonts, there is a dot or slash or
other feature to distinguish the two.

--Ph. D.




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From: "Ph. D." <phild@...>


> "Pew" and "phew" are both the same: PEEP+YEW.

"Phew" is, in Brit-Eng at least, FEE+YEW.

Hugh B



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>
> "Pew" and "phew" are both the same: PEEP+YEW.
>

Pew (church seat)= Peep + yew
Phew (sound of relief)= Fee + yew

at least, 'round here
--Star

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Hi Bob

Sound like good offer to me. I'd like to buy your copy of G.B. Shaw's
Androcles and the Lion at US $20. I had an Orange Penguin copy ages
ago, but it just got too old and yellow brittle to use. I'll send my
Postal address offline.

Regards, Paul V.


--- In shavian@..., RSRICHMOND@a... wrote:
> Just so happens I have a spare copy of the Shaw alphabet Androcles
and the
> Lion, the hardbound library edition, on considerably better paper
than the
> paperback. The binding is in good condition. There are some
handwritten notes on
> the flyleaves and on the blank page 6, but the text pages are
unmarked except
> for a couple of library stamps in the margins. I bought this book
over the Web
> several years ago from a dealer in Ireland, then found a second
copy in a used
> book store, a recent discard from the public library of a rural
county in
> Missouri.
>
> First serious offer takes it. US $20 (about what I paid for it),
I'll pay
> postage. I'll trust you to send me a check or money order after you
receive the
> book. I need to get the book into the mail by early Tuesday, April
20th.
>
> Bob Richmond
> ********************
> Robert S. Richmond
> 344 Seven Oaks Drive
> Knoxville TN 37922-3411 USA



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Hi Philip

You made a contradictory statement.

Phil said:
These don't seem to be minimal pairs to me. The sound
of disgust doesn't have the same glide onset that the word
"you" does, so I'd spell it EAT+OOZE.

If the two words sound different then that makes then a minimal pair.


> "Music" is MIME+YEW+ZOO+IF+KICK while "mew" is
> simply MIME+YEW.
>
While "Pew" and "phew" are both pronouced the same: PEEP+YEW in your
accent group. In my accent group, pew is [pV] and phew is [pIM].
Surprisingly, puke is [pVk], where I would expect it to sound closer
to phew. Likewize "mew" is [mIM] obviosly somehow related to meow
[mIQ].
When I write [IM] above, I am not pronoucing each vowel separately,
I am merging or gliding the vowels into each other to make a Dipthong.

I do notice I have a tendancy to pronouce words as they are spelled
in T.O.
when lacking any information to the contrary.


Regards, Paul V.

P.S. When the operative word is most, I think we have to back off
from saying things are one way or another. So let me bow out of this
zero discussion.

____________________attached_______________________________


--- In shavian@..., "Ph. D." <phild@a...> wrote:
> paul vandenbrink skribis:
> >
> > Let me
> > present a few minimal pairs
> > as I'd like to claim that this eu sound has its
> > own phonetic pronunciation. Does not mean it is
> > necessarily deserving of its own letter. I kind of like the
> > idea of "you" and "eeuuh" sharing the Shaw Yew letter.
> >
> > Minimal pairs
> > 1. you eeuuh (sound of disgust) common English
interjection
> > (Stephanie on the Bob (Newhart Show) made constant
use
> > of it.
> > 2. fuel few
> > 3. music mew
> > 4. pew phew
>




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I just sent my copy of the library edition of Androcles and the Lion to Paul Vandenbrink in Ontario. He was the only person on the list who asked for it.

Bob Richmond
Knoxville TN

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Sorry Paige

I didn't realize you wanted it. It is a shame it's still under
Copyright?. I could have made a copy and forwarded you the original.
Does anyone know who owns the Copyright?

Regards, Paul V.

_________attached_________________________
--- In shavian@..., "Paige Gabhart" <pgabhart@a...> wrote:
> Dear Robert:
>
> I will be quite grateful to receive your extra copy of Androcles
and the Lion. If you still have it, let me know, and I'll forward
the money immediately. Thanks.
>
> Paige Gabhart
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: RSRICHMOND@a...
> To: shavian@...
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 2:45 PM
> Subject: [shavian] getting hold of Shaw's Androcles and the Lion
>
>
> Just so happens I have a spare copy of the Shaw alphabet
Androcles and the Lion, the hardbound library edition, on
considerably better paper than the paperback. The binding is in good
condition. There are some handwritten notes on the flyleaves and on
the blank page 6, but the text pages are unmarked except for a couple
of library stamps in the margins. I bought this book over the Web
several years ago from a dealer in Ireland, then found a second copy
in a used book store, a recent discard from the public library of a
rural county in Missouri.
>
> First serious offer takes it. US $20 (about what I paid for it),
I'll pay postage. I'll trust you to send me a check or money order
after you receive the book. I need to get the book into the mail by
early Tuesday, April 20th.
>
> Bob Richmond
> ********************
> Robert S. Richmond
> 344 Seven Oaks Drive
> Knoxville TN 37922-3411 USA
>
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Paul:

I saw your response after I sent my e-mail. I have no idea who owns the copyright now. Every time I think about getting a copy of this book, I do an internet search but I have never found a copy for sale. I guess I am not persistent enough as I don't continue looking over an extended period of time.. The last time I looked for a copy was a couple of years ago I believe.

Paige

----- Original Message -----
From: paul vandenbrink <mailto:pvandenbrink@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:17 PM
Subject: [shavian] Re: getting hold of Shaw's Androcles and the Lion

Sorry Paige

I didn't realize you wanted it. It is a shame it's still under
Copyright?. I could have made a copy and forwarded you the original.
Does anyone know who owns the Copyright?

Regards, Paul V.

_________attached_________________________
--- In shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...> , "Paige Gabhart" <pgabhart@a <mailto:pgabhart@a> ...> wrote:
> Dear Robert:
>
> I will be quite grateful to receive your extra copy of Androcles
and the Lion. If you still have it, let me know, and I'll forward
the money immediately. Thanks.
>
> Paige Gabhart
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: RSRICHMOND@a...
> To: shavian@...
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 2:45 PM
> Subject: [shavian] getting hold of Shaw's Androcles and the Lion
>
>
> Just so happens I have a spare copy of the Shaw alphabet
Androcles and the Lion, the hardbound library edition, on
considerably better paper than the paperback. The binding is in good
condition. There are some handwritten notes on the flyleaves and on
the blank page 6, but the text pages are unmarked except for a couple
of library stamps in the margins. I bought this book over the Web
several years ago from a dealer in Ireland, then found a second copy
in a used book store, a recent discard from the public library of a
rural county in Missouri.
>
> First serious offer takes it. US $20 (about what I paid for it),
I'll pay postage. I'll trust you to send me a check or money order
after you receive the book. I need to get the book into the mail by
early Tuesday, April 20th.
>
> Bob Richmond
> ********************
> Robert S. Richmond
> 344 Seven Oaks Drive
> Knoxville TN 37922-3411 USA
>
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