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From: "Ethan"


> Androcles and the Lion has been released by Project Gutenberg, and can
> be found at http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/4003
>
> This means Androcles is public domain in the US for certain, and
> probably in all other countries as well.

It's in the public domain in the US for reasons I described in my reply to
Paige's message: its copyright expired there before all protection terms
were extended (in 1976). This doesn't mean it's in the public domain in
other countries - they have their own rules. It's most likely that Androcles
is still copyrighted in the UK, as 70 years since Shaw's death have not yet
passed.

> I found another source of this
> work in Australia, http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/aut/shaw_gb.html
> This site states that all the texts they provide are public domain in
> Australia, and all countries which have signed the Berne Convention -
> http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/faq/#q7

Australia is a Berne signatory, true, and its own rule of "life of author
plus 50 years" is the minimum required duration specified by the convention.

But, some countries who signed the convention have chosen to go further than
the minimum required, including the EU states and now the US who have
increased it to "life of author plus 70 years" (although the US extension
was not retroactive).

> Unless the copyright was renewed on the Shaw Alphabet version of
> Androcles, which doesn't appear to be the case, then it is permissible
> to republish without restriction. Have fun!

In the States, you can. In Australia, you can. But it does not appear, as
far as the laws indicate, that it can be freely reproduced yet in the UK.

We need to consult a lawyer before going any further!

Hugh B



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Hi Hugh

It is a shame that Androcles and the Lion, right at this moment can
not be republished in Britain, with out paying the Copyright
royalties. However, I think everyone agrees that that a American
Edition and to a lesser extent an Australian Edition would be very
useful, too. We could also provide an American Oriented Afterword,
with some uptodate recommendations on how to write American English
with Shavian Letters.
If enough interest was generated, I am certain a lot of these
apparent problems could be dealt with.

Regards, Paul V.

--- In shavian@..., "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@f...>
wrote:
> From: "Ethan"
>
>
> > Androcles and the Lion has been released by Project Gutenberg,
and can
> > be found at http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/4003
> >
> > This means Androcles is public domain in the US for certain, and
> > probably in all other countries as well.
>
> It's in the public domain in the US for reasons I described in my
reply to
> Paige's message: its copyright expired there before all protection
terms
> were extended (in 1976). This doesn't mean it's in the public
domain in
> other countries - they have their own rules. It's most likely that
Androcles
> is still copyrighted in the UK, as 70 years since Shaw's death have
not yet
> passed.
>
> > I found another source of this
> > work in Australia,
http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/aut/shaw_gb.html
> > This site states that all the texts they provide are public
domain in
> > Australia, and all countries which have signed the Berne
Convention -
> > http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/faq/#q7
>
> Australia is a Berne signatory, true, and its own rule of "life of
author
> plus 50 years" is the minimum required duration specified by the
convention.
>
> But, some countries who signed the convention have chosen to go
further than
> the minimum required, including the EU states and now the US who
have
> increased it to "life of author plus 70 years" (although the US
extension
> was not retroactive).
>
> > Unless the copyright was renewed on the Shaw Alphabet version of
> > Androcles, which doesn't appear to be the case, then it is
permissible
> > to republish without restriction. Have fun!
>
> In the States, you can. In Australia, you can. But it does not
appear, as
> far as the laws indicate, that it can be freely reproduced yet in
the UK.
>
> We need to consult a lawyer before going any further!
>
> Hugh B



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This is not a feature announcement, but just a note to say that after musing about it
here I wrote Simon Ager who runs omniglot.com. I asked whether he had ever
considered adding forums to his site, and got the reply below. I get the feeling that,
with some more encouragement, he may well go for it.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Simon Ager" <simon@xyz>
> Date: 17 May 2004 22:28:41 JST
> To: "oliver langan" <oliver@xyz>
> Subject: Re: omniglot.com
> Reply-To: "Simon Ager" <simon@xyz>
>
> Hi Oliver,
>
> Thanks for your message. It's great to hear that you like my site.
>
> I have considered adding a forum to Omniglot and have had a look at phpbb.
> It looks fairly straightforward to set up so I might just try it. Is phpbb a
> good choice do you think? My web server has mysql and php.
>
> Regards,
>
> Simon Ager
>
> Omniglot - a guide to writing systems
> www.omniglot.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "oliver langan" <oliver@xyz>
>> To: <omniglot@xyz>
>> Sent: 16 May 2004 15:00
>> Subject: omniglot.com
>>
>>
>> Message from:
>> oliver langan (oliver@xyz) on May 16th, 2004 at 07:00AM (PDT).
>>
>> comments: Firstly, I simply love your site. It is just a fantastic source
>> of information and I often spend hours exploring the new information.
>>
>> I am a not-very-active member of the shavian and quickscript groups on
>> yahoo, and there is some discussion over there of moving the groups en-masse
>> to another server, primarily due to increased spamming of yahoo forums (but
>> also encouraged by the fact that the forum administrator has not been heard
>> from in years).
>>
>> Have you ever considered adding some sort of forums to your site? There
>> are quite a few free easy-to-install-and-maintain tools out there, the first
>> of which comes to mind being phpbb (www.phpbb.com). Having originally come
>> to the yahoo groups from your site, I think it would be a fantastic addition
>> to have writing system forums located on your site, ideally in a 1:1 ratio
>> along with the systems you cover.
>>
>> I am a web programmer (though currently I work as an English language
>> teacher in Japan), and if you like I would be willing to help you set this
>> up.
>>
>> Of course, I do not represent the whole shavian or quickscript communities
>> on yahoo, but I think the idea might have merit beyond those groups anyway.
>>
>> oliver langan




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oliver langan wrote:
> I wrote Simon Ager who runs omniglot.com. I asked
> whether he had ever considered adding forums to his
> site, and got the reply below. I get the feeling
> that, with some more encouragement, he may well go
> for it.

Sounds interesting.

IMO, though, a web forum is not a good replacement for a mailing list. Maybe
something that could exist in addition, but not to replace it.

Ideally, we'd have something threaded (IIRC phpbb always displays the newest
comment at the end regardless of which comment it is in reply to); some
email clients can do this for you. (Even better might be a newsgroup, but
getting one set up would be even harder.)

If we did move off Yahoo!Groups, I'd suggest taking up Scott's offer and
hosting a new mailing list on shavian.org. However, I have the impression
that the consensus is currently to stay with the Yahoo!Group.

Cheers,
Philip
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--- Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@...> wrote:
> Man, A'm sure as hell gettin da beef wid dese ads...
>
> Fo' real...
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Philip Newton skribis:
>
> oliver langan wrote:
> >
> > I wrote Simon Ager who runs omniglot.com. I asked
> > whether he had ever considered adding forums to his
> > site, and got the reply below. I get the feeling
> > that, with some more encouragement, he may well go
> > for it.
>
> Sounds interesting.
>
> IMO, though, a web forum is not a good replacement for a mailing list.
Maybe
> something that could exist in addition, but not to replace it.
>
> Ideally, we'd have something threaded (IIRC phpbb always displays the
newest
> comment at the end regardless of which comment it is in reply to); some
> email clients can do this for you. (Even better might be a newsgroup, but
> getting one set up would be even harder.)
>
> If we did move off Yahoo!Groups, I'd suggest taking up Scott's offer and
> hosting a new mailing list on shavian.org. However, I have the impression
> that the consensus is currently to stay with the Yahoo!Group.

I must agree. I find web-based forums awkward to use.
I much prefer a mailing-list forum.

So far, the spam hasn't been too bad, but if we go, I'd
prefer to go to a private server run by someone on the
list. That would give us a lot more control.

Normally, spam doesn't bother me. I simply delete it.
The ones that make me angry are the ones that either
claim they are not spam or claim that I signed up to
receive their "service."

--Ph. D.





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Ph. D. wrote:
> I must agree. I find web-based forums awkward to use.
> I much prefer a mailing-list forum.
>
> So far, the spam hasn't been too bad, but if we go, I'd
> prefer to go to a private server run by someone on the
> list. That would give us a lot more control.

Agreed on all counts.

Cheers,
Philip
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Dealing with spammers on one of the lists that I moderate, I have
called to yahoo (as most of them have a yahoo address. They have told
me that reporting the spammers to them is about all that we can do, but
they will work quickly.

--Star

--- "Ph. D." <phild@...> wrote:
> Philip Newton skribis:
> >
> > oliver langan wrote:
> > >
> > > I wrote Simon Ager who runs omniglot.com. I asked
> > > whether he had ever considered adding forums to his
> > > site, and got the reply below. I get the feeling
> > > that, with some more encouragement, he may well go
> > > for it.
> >
> > Sounds interesting.
> >
> > IMO, though, a web forum is not a good replacement for a mailing
> list.
> Maybe
> > something that could exist in addition, but not to replace it.
> >
> > Ideally, we'd have something threaded (IIRC phpbb always displays
> the
> newest
> > comment at the end regardless of which comment it is in reply to);
> some
> > email clients can do this for you. (Even better might be a
> newsgroup, but
> > getting one set up would be even harder.)
> >
> > If we did move off Yahoo!Groups, I'd suggest taking up Scott's
> offer and
> > hosting a new mailing list on shavian.org. However, I have the
> impression
> > that the consensus is currently to stay with the Yahoo!Group.
>
> I must agree. I find web-based forums awkward to use.
> I much prefer a mailing-list forum.
>
> So far, the spam hasn't been too bad, but if we go, I'd
> prefer to go to a private server run by someone on the
> list. That would give us a lot more control.
>
> Normally, spam doesn't bother me. I simply delete it.
> The ones that make me angry are the ones that either
> claim they are not spam or claim that I signed up to
> receive their "service."
>
> --Ph. D.
>
>
>


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