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From: Ethan
Date: 2004-05-08 05:27:40 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Important News.

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angeline_6n0@... wrote:
> Hello
> Blah blah blah blah
> Click here if you're stupid...

Spam. I'm surprised to see it here, as I haven't before - I guess I'm
going to be adding another spammer to my spam filter! It's unfortunate
that nobody has control over the group settings, so a dedicated spammer
could subscribe and send tons of spam and nobody can do a thing about it...

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From: mixsynth@...
Date: 2004-05-08 14:14:59 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Important News.

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Yes, i looked into the possibility of assuming moderatorship a while ago, but was told by yahoo staff that they never, under *any* circumstances, reassign it without the original moderator's consent. They even refused to do it in a case when the original moderator was verifiably dead.

So were stuck with the spam im afraid.

Hugh B

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Subject: Re: [shavian] Important News.
From: Ethan <ethanl@...>
Date: 8th May 2004 12:29:05 am

angeline_6n0@... wrote:
> Hello
> Blah blah blah blah
> Click here if you're stupid...

Spam. I'm surprised to see it here, as I haven't before - I guess I'm
going to be adding another spammer to my spam filter! It's unfortunate
that nobody has control over the group settings, so a dedicated spammer
could subscribe and send tons of spam and nobody can do a thing about it...

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From: paul vandenbrink
Date: 2004-05-09 05:44:14 #
Subject: [shavian] News sbout Shavian Group

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Hi Hugh and Ethan

If the Spam problem persist you will have to start another Yahoo
group in anycase. How does everyone feel about moving?

Regards, Paul V.

--- In shavian@..., mixsynth@f... wrote:
> Yes, i looked into the possibility of assuming moderatorship a
while ago, but was told by yahoo staff that they never, under *any*
circumstances, reassign it without the original moderator's consent.
They even refused to do it in a case when the original moderator was
verifiably dead.
>
> Hugh B
>





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From: Prester John
Date: 2004-05-09 05:56:40 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] News sbout Shavian Group

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>How does everyone feel about moving?
>
> Regards, Paul V.


(shrug) Whatever needs to be done. :)

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From: Philip Newton
Date: 2004-05-09 07:06:41 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] News sbout Shavian Group

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On 9 May 2004 at 4:43, paul vandenbrink wrote:

> If the Spam problem persist you will have to start another Yahoo
> group in anycase. How does everyone feel about moving?

I'd prefer not to, but if the majority does, I will, too.

Cheers,
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From: Bob Schmertz
Date: 2004-05-09 08:29:11 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] News sbout Shavian Group

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Philip Newton incurred the wrath of Bob on May 9, by saying

>On 9 May 2004 at 4:43, paul vandenbrink wrote:
>
>> If the Spam problem persist you will have to start another Yahoo
>> group in anycase. How does everyone feel about moving?
>
>I'd prefer not to, but if the majority does, I will, too.

I do hope we're not all talking about moving now just from having
received one or two spams to the list. Maybe we should decide on a
ratio; say if more than 30% of the postings are spam, then we move;
something like that.

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From: John Warner
Date: 2004-05-09 12:17:35 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] News sbout Shavian Group

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In message <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405090026440.28538@...>, Bob
Schmertz <rschmertz@...> writes
>Philip Newton incurred the wrath of Bob on May 9, by saying
>
>>On 9 May 2004 at 4:43, paul vandenbrink wrote:
>>
>>> If the Spam problem persist you will have to start another Yahoo
>>> group in anycase. How does everyone feel about moving?
>>
>>I'd prefer not to, but if the majority does, I will, too.
>
>I do hope we're not all talking about moving now just from having
>received one or two spams to the list. Maybe we should decide on a
>ratio; say if more than 30% of the postings are spam, then we move;
>something like that.
>

I agree - one spam is not enough to move yet.

I have e-mail addresses on websites and these are predominantly spam but
I keep them open for the one or two genuine e-mails.

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From: Hugh Birkenhead
Date: 2004-05-10 14:20:40 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] News sbout Shavian Group

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"Bob Schmertz"

> I do hope we're not all talking about moving now just from having
> received one or two spams to the list. Maybe we should decide on a
> ratio; say if more than 30% of the postings are spam, then we move;
> something like that.

We've had more before. Mind you they've only been coming in ones and twos so
far so I think we're OK for now.

Starting a new group would be the last resort, as we would lose the 5-year
archive of previous postings. We can't even contemplate losing the archive -
it's an invaluable Shavian resource in its own right. I would have to ask
Yahoo Groups if they could somehow collate the archived postings into one
single file and send it to us before risking losing it (they would close the
group if nobody posted to it for a while). We would also have to re-stock
the vault with all the files/transliterations and that would take a long
time.

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From: Scott Harrison
Date: 2004-05-10 18:11:44 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] News sbout Shavian Group

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On May 10, 2004, at 09:20, Hugh Birkenhead wrote:

> "Bob Schmertz"
>
>> I do hope we're not all talking about moving now just from having
>> received one or two spams to the list. Maybe we should decide on a
>> ratio; say if more than 30% of the postings are spam, then we move;
>> something like that.
>
> We've had more before. Mind you they've only been coming in ones and
> twos so
> far so I think we're OK for now.
>
> Starting a new group would be the last resort, as we would lose the
> 5-year
> archive of previous postings. We can't even contemplate losing the
> archive -
> it's an invaluable Shavian resource in its own right. I would have to
> ask
> Yahoo Groups if they could somehow collate the archived postings into
> one
> single file and send it to us before risking losing it (they would
> close the
> group if nobody posted to it for a while). We would also have to
> re-stock
> the vault with all the files/transliterations and that would take a
> long
> time.
>
>
If we were to forgo using yahoo we could host in on one of our own
servers (yes, that means I can volunteer to have it done on my own
server -- perhaps shavian.org would actually be the address but that is
not quite up to me to decide). If my machine were to be used, the
mailing list would be "mailman" which permits self-join, etc. But I
also have some level of SPAM filtering, and of course I can blacklist
people, etc. as appropriate.

We would have to get the previous posts from yahoo and ensure they
were made available on our new server. That is not an impossible task.
Also we would probably want to have everyone transferred over from
yahoo as well. If I were given a list of email addresses then I could
easily set up the list with those members.

Note "mailman" is not a message board -- but a mailing list. Each
member would need a separate mail account to which email could be sent.
It can be batched and sent once a day -- or each message separately,
but there needs to be a mail account. People can read the posts from
the web as well. However, there is no group chatting or things like
that.

Normally I do not allow people to post files to a vault. However, if
we were really going to move from yahoo I could investigate a secure
way to have this happen. I am not sure how much storage is involved,
so anyone with that information, please forward that to me.

I really do not want to have to go about joining a different yahoo
group since I remember nothing about my login nor my password.
Therefore, I cannot change my info, join new groups, etc. I would have
to go about making a new me and that would not be fun.

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From: carl easton
Date: 2004-05-10 23:29:23 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] News sbout Shavian Group

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I agree with Philip. If the majority wants to move I'll go too with it.

Carl

Philip Newton <philip.newton@...> wrote:

On 9 May 2004 at 4:43, paul vandenbrink wrote:

> If the Spam problem persist you will have to start another Yahoo
> group in anycase. How does everyone feel about moving?

I'd prefer not to, but if the majority does, I will, too.

Cheers,
Philip
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