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I seldom open attachments unless i am in Dire need of the information.
Attachments are the preferred way to send viruses. Haven't you
noticed. That stuff isn't just Spam.

Regards, Paul V.

--- In shavian@..., Ethan <ethanl@3...> wrote:
> tithhmi wrote:
> > There is another medium that we can assume everyone has: Microsoft
> > Word. On all e-mail providers I have seen, there is a way to
attach a
> > file. If someone doesn't have anything that can read a .doc file,
> > there is a great free alternative: www.openoffice.org. It can
handle
> > MS Office files of all types. But I think that MS is common
enough to
> > assume that everyone has something that can read a .doc file?
>
> I have to agree with Scott here and say that attachments aren't the
best
> way to go. Also, I currently have no easy way to open a .doc file,
> although I could download Open Office. Surprisingly enough, a lot
of
> people use Mac OS, Linux (myself), or some variety of Unix, and
might
> not automatically have a way to read a Word format file.
>
> For sure the best way is to use Unicode, well, as soon as the
software
> people get their acts together and get it working right.
Meanwhile,
> html is probably the best way to go, unless you know that you are
> sending email to someone who can use Unicode.
>
> Every message I send has a Unicode test built in. If you can read
all
> of my signature line, especially the first word, then your computer
> passes the test. If you see four or five empty boxes as the first
word,
> then you might just need a font. If you see more than five boxes,
or if
> you see scrambled text, then you need more work to get it going.
> --
> ·ð`°ð`"ð`©ð`¯ - Ethan
> My name in Shavian and Latin text



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Hey Everyone,
I got my hands on a newspaper from 1965 written in Shavian. Kingsley
Read, the publisher, gave the following letter names: (he did not
use the names that we do now..)

Tall:
Pea (peep)
Tea (tot)
Key (kick)
Fee (fee)
THaw (thigh)
See (so)
SHe (sure)
CHeer (church)
Ye (yea)
i-NG (hung)

Deep:
Bay (bib)
Day (dead)
Gay (gag)
Vie (vow)
THey (they)
Zoo (zoo)
ZHay (measure)
Jay (judge)
Way (woe)
Hay (ha-ha)

Short:
Lee (loll) Ray (roar)
Me (mime) Nay (none)



Vowels:
It(it) Ease (eat)
Egg(egg) Ace (age)
At (ash) Ice (ice)
Ago (ado) Us (up)
Hot(on) Owe (oak)
Foot (wool) OOze (ooze)
OUt (out) boy (oil)
Are (are) awe (Awe)
Air (air) urge (urge)
EAr (ian)




--- In shavian@..., "paul vandenbrink"
<pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
> Hi Everybody
> Since the lethargy of the summer has arrived, and there are no
other
> pressing issues, I want to throw open a question to the group.
> In a manner of speaking, it is a contest.
> It is called "Name that Letter".
> As I mentioned before, the current names of the SHAW Letters leave
a
> lot to be desired. The names as such provided with the
introduction
> to Shaw in Androcles are more sample words, rather than Names. Who
> would really name a letter "Dead" or "Err" or "ha-ha".
>
> I am going to provide my suggestion just to start everything off,
> but I would prefer something more original and distinctive.
> The original name/sample word is provided in brackets.
> I have also put the letters in a little different order.
> Feel free to make suggestions on the order of the 48 Shaw Letters.
> 1. Adu, "a" (ado) ado, along, awake,
alert
> 2. Alef, "A" (ash) ash, amber, ant,
identify
> 3. Ail, "F" (ice) ice aisle, iron
> 4. Bet, "b" (bib) bib, baby
> 5. Gimel, "g" (gag) gag, gun, gold
> 6. Delta, "d" (dead) dead
> 7. Hey, "h" (ha-ha) ha-ha hey, hang,
hello,
> hip, heart
> 8. Vav, "v" (vow) vow, vagabond
> 9. Zayeen, "z" (zoo) zoo, zeal, zebra
> 10. Yood, "j" (yea) yea, yes, yellow,
yard,
> young
> 11. Yuter "V" (yew) yew. user, euphoria,
> few, newt, cute, you, fuel, uterous
> 12. Kawf "k" (kick) kick, calf, kipper,
> cough, kook
> 13. Lamed, "l" (loll) lamp, table,
mile,devil
> 14. Mem, "m" (mime) mime, measure, moor,
> mirror
> 15. Nash, "n" (none) none, nun, noon
> 17. Ingga, "N" (hung) hung, sing, English
> 18. Sam, "s" (so) so, suppose, spring,
face
> 19. Ester, "e" (*egg) extra, empty, heaven,
> devil, ember, brand X,
> 20. Eisawv, "E" (age) age, egg, apron
> 21. Eiran, "X" (air) air, fare, spare, err
> 22. Pey, "p" (peep) peep, post, poor,
plant
> 23. Resh, "r" (roar) roar, rail, rook,
raven
> 24. Earl, "D" (array) *array, *err, urge,
> urban
> 25. Shawn, "S" (share) share, sure, sheep,
> shilling
> 26. Tawf, "t" (tot) tot, tailor, tree
> 27. Fey "f" (fee) fee, flower, freedom
> 28. Wazu "w" (woe) woe, warm, wait, wing
> 30. Jawn "Z" (measure) measure, Jean,
voyage,
> garage, treasure, triage
> 31. Cheetch "c" (church) church, check, cheat
> 32. Judjer "J" (judge) judge, jack, join
> 33. Thorn "T" (thigh) thin, with,
> 34. Thawn "H" (They) they
> 35. Izrah "i" (if) if, impossible,
insane,
> imp, it
> 36. Eesy "I" (eat) eat, Ian, East, keep,
> eel, even
> 37. Irgun "C" (*ear) *ear, here, beer,
Cyril,
> mirror
> 38. Ahmz "y" (ah) ah, alms, drama,
trauma
> spa, lager, espionage, on, stop, salon
> 39. Oliver "Y" (awe) awe, awful, long,
hawk,
> cough, often
> 40. Arno "R" (are) are, ark, art, heart,
> cart, tart, tar
> 41. Oun "Q" (Out) out, owl, clown,
> drown, pounce, ounce
> 42. Oprah "O" (oak) oak, hope, goal,
bowl,
> ode, old, open
> 43. Oivy "q" (oil) oil, foyer, lawyer
> 44. Orly "P" (or) or, more, adore,
door
> 45. whoops "U" (wool) rook, put, pull,
wood,
> good, books
> 46. Uzer "M" (ooze) ooze, loser, kook,
> booze
> 48. Upety, "u" (up) up, other, umbrella,
>
uncle
> udder, ugly, uneventful
>
> Redundant Letters need names too.
> 46. Ian = Eat+Ado "W"
> 47. On = Ah "o"
> 48. *Err = Array "x"
>
> Possible Additional Letters
>
> 49. Wheil "W" (woe) whale, whirl,
whew,
> whoosh, whale
>
> * indicates where the standard pronuncation of sample word has
> changed since 1960, when Androcles was transliterated.
>
> So hey everyone.
> We have to get out of the Doldrums. Name a Shaw Letter.
>
> Regards, Paul V.



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I forgot to mention: as according to Read, "For indexing and
memorizing, the alphabetic order is as listed there in pairs: P-ea
Bay, Tea Day etc, down to iNG Hay, followewd by Lee Ray, and ending
with Air Urge and the last unpaired letter EAr." Also,array ear and
yew are considered Compounds, made up of two letters.


--- In shavian@..., "shavianstar" <shavianstar@y...>
wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
> I got my hands on a newspaper from 1965 written in Shavian.
Kingsley
> Read, the publisher, gave the following letter names: (he did not
> use the names that we do now..)
>
> Tall:
> Pea (peep)
> Tea (tot)
> Key (kick)
> Fee (fee)
> THaw (thigh)
> See (so)
> SHe (sure)
> CHeer (church)
> Ye (yea)
> i-NG (hung)
>
> Deep:
> Bay (bib)
> Day (dead)
> Gay (gag)
> Vie (vow)
> THey (they)
> Zoo (zoo)
> ZHay (measure)
> Jay (judge)
> Way (woe)
> Hay (ha-ha)
>
> Short:
> Lee (loll) Ray (roar)
> Me (mime) Nay (none)
>
>
>
> Vowels:
> It(it) Ease (eat)
> Egg(egg) Ace (age)
> At (ash) Ice (ice)
> Ago (ado) Us (up)
> Hot(on) Owe (oak)
> Foot (wool) OOze (ooze)
> OUt (out) boy (oil)
> Are (are) awe (Awe)
> Air (air) urge (urge)
> EAr (ian)
>
>
>
>
> --- In shavian@..., "paul vandenbrink"
> <pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
> > Hi Everybody
> > Since the lethargy of the summer has arrived, and there are no
> other
> > pressing issues, I want to throw open a question to the group.
> > In a manner of speaking, it is a contest.
> > It is called "Name that Letter".
> > As I mentioned before, the current names of the SHAW Letters
leave
> a
> > lot to be desired. The names as such provided with the
> introduction
> > to Shaw in Androcles are more sample words, rather than Names.
Who
> > would really name a letter "Dead" or "Err" or "ha-ha".
> >
> > I am going to provide my suggestion just to start everything
off,
> > but I would prefer something more original and distinctive.
> > The original name/sample word is provided in brackets.
> > I have also put the letters in a little different order.
> > Feel free to make suggestions on the order of the 48 Shaw
Letters.
> > 1. Adu, "a" (ado) ado, along, awake,
> alert
> > 2. Alef, "A" (ash) ash, amber, ant,
> identify
> > 3. Ail, "F" (ice) ice aisle, iron
> > 4. Bet, "b" (bib) bib, baby
> > 5. Gimel, "g" (gag) gag, gun, gold
> > 6. Delta, "d" (dead) dead
> > 7. Hey, "h" (ha-ha) ha-ha hey, hang,
> hello,
> > hip, heart
> > 8. Vav, "v" (vow) vow, vagabond
> > 9. Zayeen, "z" (zoo) zoo, zeal, zebra
> > 10. Yood, "j" (yea) yea, yes, yellow,
> yard,
> > young
> > 11. Yuter "V" (yew) yew. user,
euphoria,
> > few, newt, cute, you, fuel, uterous
> > 12. Kawf "k" (kick) kick, calf, kipper,
> > cough, kook
> > 13. Lamed, "l" (loll) lamp, table,
> mile,devil
> > 14. Mem, "m" (mime) mime, measure,
moor,
> > mirror
> > 15. Nash, "n" (none) none, nun, noon
> > 17. Ingga, "N" (hung) hung, sing, English
> > 18. Sam, "s" (so) so, suppose, spring,
> face
> > 19. Ester, "e" (*egg) extra, empty,
heaven,
> > devil, ember, brand X,
> > 20. Eisawv, "E" (age) age, egg, apron
> > 21. Eiran, "X" (air) air, fare, spare,
err
> > 22. Pey, "p" (peep) peep, post, poor,
> plant
> > 23. Resh, "r" (roar) roar, rail, rook,
> raven
> > 24. Earl, "D" (array) *array, *err, urge,
> > urban
> > 25. Shawn, "S" (share) share, sure, sheep,
> > shilling
> > 26. Tawf, "t" (tot) tot, tailor, tree
> > 27. Fey "f" (fee) fee, flower, freedom
> > 28. Wazu "w" (woe) woe, warm, wait,
wing
> > 30. Jawn "Z" (measure) measure, Jean,
> voyage,
> > garage, treasure, triage
> > 31. Cheetch "c" (church) church, check,
cheat
> > 32. Judjer "J" (judge) judge, jack, join
> > 33. Thorn "T" (thigh) thin, with,
> > 34. Thawn "H" (They) they
> > 35. Izrah "i" (if) if, impossible,
> insane,
> > imp, it
> > 36. Eesy "I" (eat) eat, Ian, East,
keep,
> > eel, even
> > 37. Irgun "C" (*ear) *ear, here, beer,
> Cyril,
> > mirror
> > 38. Ahmz "y" (ah) ah, alms, drama,
> trauma
> > spa, lager, espionage, on, stop,
salon
> > 39. Oliver "Y" (awe) awe, awful, long,
> hawk,
> > cough, often
> > 40. Arno "R" (are) are, ark, art,
heart,
> > cart, tart, tar
> > 41. Oun "Q" (Out) out, owl, clown,
> > drown, pounce, ounce
> > 42. Oprah "O" (oak) oak, hope, goal,
> bowl,
> > ode, old, open
> > 43. Oivy "q" (oil) oil, foyer, lawyer
> > 44. Orly "P" (or) or, more, adore,
> door
> > 45. whoops "U" (wool) rook, put, pull,
> wood,
> > good, books
> > 46. Uzer "M" (ooze) ooze, loser, kook,
> > booze
> > 48. Upety, "u" (up) up, other, umbrella,
> >
>
uncle
> > udder, ugly, uneventful
> >
> > Redundant Letters need names too.
> > 46. Ian = Eat+Ado "W"
> > 47. On = Ah "o"
> > 48. *Err = Array "x"
> >
> > Possible Additional Letters
> >
> > 49. Wheil "W" (woe) whale, whirl,
> whew,
> > whoosh, whale
> >
> > * indicates where the standard pronuncation of sample word has
> > changed since 1960, when Androcles was transliterated.
> >
> > So hey everyone.
> > We have to get out of the Doldrums. Name a Shaw Letter.
> >
> > Regards, Paul V.



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I forgot to mention: as according to Read, "For indexing and
memorizing, the alphabetic order is as listed there in pairs: P-ea
Bay, Tea Day etc, down to iNG Hay, followewd by Lee Ray, and ending
with Air Urge and the last unpaired letter EAr." Also,array ear and
yew are considered Compounds, made up of two letters.


--- In shavian@..., "shavianstar" <shavianstar@y...>
wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
> I got my hands on a newspaper from 1965 written in Shavian.
Kingsley
> Read, the publisher, gave the following letter names: (he did not
> use the names that we do now..)
>
> Tall:
> Pea (peep)
> Tea (tot)
> Key (kick)
> Fee (fee)
> THaw (thigh)
> See (so)
> SHe (sure)
> CHeer (church)
> Ye (yea)
> i-NG (hung)
>
> Deep:
> Bay (bib)
> Day (dead)
> Gay (gag)
> Vie (vow)
> THey (they)
> Zoo (zoo)
> ZHay (measure)
> Jay (judge)
> Way (woe)
> Hay (ha-ha)
>
> Short:
> Lee (loll) Ray (roar)
> Me (mime) Nay (none)
>
>
>
> Vowels:
> It(it) Ease (eat)
> Egg(egg) Ace (age)
> At (ash) Ice (ice)
> Ago (ado) Us (up)
> Hot(on) Owe (oak)
> Foot (wool) OOze (ooze)
> OUt (out) boy (oil)
> Are (are) awe (Awe)
> Air (air) urge (urge)
> EAr (ian)
>
>
>
>
> --- In shavian@..., "paul vandenbrink"
> <pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
> > Hi Everybody
> > Since the lethargy of the summer has arrived, and there are no
> other
> > pressing issues, I want to throw open a question to the group.
> > In a manner of speaking, it is a contest.
> > It is called "Name that Letter".
> > As I mentioned before, the current names of the SHAW Letters
leave
> a
> > lot to be desired. The names as such provided with the
> introduction
> > to Shaw in Androcles are more sample words, rather than Names.
Who
> > would really name a letter "Dead" or "Err" or "ha-ha".
> >
> > I am going to provide my suggestion just to start everything
off,
> > but I would prefer something more original and distinctive.
> > The original name/sample word is provided in brackets.
> > I have also put the letters in a little different order.
> > Feel free to make suggestions on the order of the 48 Shaw
Letters.
> > 1. Adu, "a" (ado) ado, along, awake,
> alert
> > 2. Alef, "A" (ash) ash, amber, ant,
> identify
> > 3. Ail, "F" (ice) ice aisle, iron
> > 4. Bet, "b" (bib) bib, baby
> > 5. Gimel, "g" (gag) gag, gun, gold
> > 6. Delta, "d" (dead) dead
> > 7. Hey, "h" (ha-ha) ha-ha hey, hang,
> hello,
> > hip, heart
> > 8. Vav, "v" (vow) vow, vagabond
> > 9. Zayeen, "z" (zoo) zoo, zeal, zebra
> > 10. Yood, "j" (yea) yea, yes, yellow,
> yard,
> > young
> > 11. Yuter "V" (yew) yew. user,
euphoria,
> > few, newt, cute, you, fuel, uterous
> > 12. Kawf "k" (kick) kick, calf, kipper,
> > cough, kook
> > 13. Lamed, "l" (loll) lamp, table,
> mile,devil
> > 14. Mem, "m" (mime) mime, measure,
moor,
> > mirror
> > 15. Nash, "n" (none) none, nun, noon
> > 17. Ingga, "N" (hung) hung, sing, English
> > 18. Sam, "s" (so) so, suppose, spring,
> face
> > 19. Ester, "e" (*egg) extra, empty,
heaven,
> > devil, ember, brand X,
> > 20. Eisawv, "E" (age) age, egg, apron
> > 21. Eiran, "X" (air) air, fare, spare,
err
> > 22. Pey, "p" (peep) peep, post, poor,
> plant
> > 23. Resh, "r" (roar) roar, rail, rook,
> raven
> > 24. Earl, "D" (array) *array, *err, urge,
> > urban
> > 25. Shawn, "S" (share) share, sure, sheep,
> > shilling
> > 26. Tawf, "t" (tot) tot, tailor, tree
> > 27. Fey "f" (fee) fee, flower, freedom
> > 28. Wazu "w" (woe) woe, warm, wait,
wing
> > 30. Jawn "Z" (measure) measure, Jean,
> voyage,
> > garage, treasure, triage
> > 31. Cheetch "c" (church) church, check,
cheat
> > 32. Judjer "J" (judge) judge, jack, join
> > 33. Thorn "T" (thigh) thin, with,
> > 34. Thawn "H" (They) they
> > 35. Izrah "i" (if) if, impossible,
> insane,
> > imp, it
> > 36. Eesy "I" (eat) eat, Ian, East,
keep,
> > eel, even
> > 37. Irgun "C" (*ear) *ear, here, beer,
> Cyril,
> > mirror
> > 38. Ahmz "y" (ah) ah, alms, drama,
> trauma
> > spa, lager, espionage, on, stop,
salon
> > 39. Oliver "Y" (awe) awe, awful, long,
> hawk,
> > cough, often
> > 40. Arno "R" (are) are, ark, art,
heart,
> > cart, tart, tar
> > 41. Oun "Q" (Out) out, owl, clown,
> > drown, pounce, ounce
> > 42. Oprah "O" (oak) oak, hope, goal,
> bowl,
> > ode, old, open
> > 43. Oivy "q" (oil) oil, foyer, lawyer
> > 44. Orly "P" (or) or, more, adore,
> door
> > 45. whoops "U" (wool) rook, put, pull,
> wood,
> > good, books
> > 46. Uzer "M" (ooze) ooze, loser, kook,
> > booze
> > 48. Upety, "u" (up) up, other, umbrella,
> >
>
uncle
> > udder, ugly, uneventful
> >
> > Redundant Letters need names too.
> > 46. Ian = Eat+Ado "W"
> > 47. On = Ah "o"
> > 48. *Err = Array "x"
> >
> > Possible Additional Letters
> >
> > 49. Wheil "W" (woe) whale, whirl,
> whew,
> > whoosh, whale
> >
> > * indicates where the standard pronuncation of sample word has
> > changed since 1960, when Androcles was transliterated.
> >
> > So hey everyone.
> > We have to get out of the Doldrums. Name a Shaw Letter.
> >
> > Regards, Paul V.



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Hi there,

Do you still have the document? If so is there any way whatsoever that you
could scan it in and post it here? I would find it INCREDIBLY useful to see
a copy of the Shaw Script newsletter. I've always wanted to see what it
looked like.

Hugh B


----- Original Message -----
From: "shavianstar" <shavianstar@...>
To: <shavian@...>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 11:17 PM
Subject: [shavian] Re: Summer Doldrums - Question of Order


> Hey Everyone,
> I got my hands on a newspaper from 1965 written in Shavian. Kingsley
> Read, the publisher, gave the following letter names: (he did not
> use the names that we do now..)
>
> Tall:
> Pea (peep)
> Tea (tot)
> Key (kick)
> Fee (fee)
> THaw (thigh)
> See (so)
> SHe (sure)
> CHeer (church)
> Ye (yea)
> i-NG (hung)
>
> Deep:
> Bay (bib)
> Day (dead)
> Gay (gag)
> Vie (vow)
> THey (they)
> Zoo (zoo)
> ZHay (measure)
> Jay (judge)
> Way (woe)
> Hay (ha-ha)
>
> Short:
> Lee (loll) Ray (roar)
> Me (mime) Nay (none)
>
>
>
> Vowels:
> It(it) Ease (eat)
> Egg(egg) Ace (age)
> At (ash) Ice (ice)
> Ago (ado) Us (up)
> Hot(on) Owe (oak)
> Foot (wool) OOze (ooze)
> OUt (out) boy (oil)
> Are (are) awe (Awe)
> Air (air) urge (urge)
> EAr (ian)
>
>
>
>
> --- In shavian@..., "paul vandenbrink"
> <pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
>> Hi Everybody
>> Since the lethargy of the summer has arrived, and there are no
> other
>> pressing issues, I want to throw open a question to the group.
>> In a manner of speaking, it is a contest.
>> It is called "Name that Letter".
>> As I mentioned before, the current names of the SHAW Letters leave
> a
>> lot to be desired. The names as such provided with the
> introduction
>> to Shaw in Androcles are more sample words, rather than Names. Who
>> would really name a letter "Dead" or "Err" or "ha-ha".
>>
>> I am going to provide my suggestion just to start everything off,
>> but I would prefer something more original and distinctive.
>> The original name/sample word is provided in brackets.
>> I have also put the letters in a little different order.
>> Feel free to make suggestions on the order of the 48 Shaw Letters.
>> 1. Adu, "a" (ado) ado, along, awake,
> alert
>> 2. Alef, "A" (ash) ash, amber, ant,
> identify
>> 3. Ail, "F" (ice) ice aisle, iron
>> 4. Bet, "b" (bib) bib, baby
>> 5. Gimel, "g" (gag) gag, gun, gold
>> 6. Delta, "d" (dead) dead
>> 7. Hey, "h" (ha-ha) ha-ha hey, hang,
> hello,
>> hip, heart
>> 8. Vav, "v" (vow) vow, vagabond
>> 9. Zayeen, "z" (zoo) zoo, zeal, zebra
>> 10. Yood, "j" (yea) yea, yes, yellow,
> yard,
>> young
>> 11. Yuter "V" (yew) yew. user, euphoria,
>> few, newt, cute, you, fuel, uterous
>> 12. Kawf "k" (kick) kick, calf, kipper,
>> cough, kook
>> 13. Lamed, "l" (loll) lamp, table,
> mile,devil
>> 14. Mem, "m" (mime) mime, measure, moor,
>> mirror
>> 15. Nash, "n" (none) none, nun, noon
>> 17. Ingga, "N" (hung) hung, sing, English
>> 18. Sam, "s" (so) so, suppose, spring,
> face
>> 19. Ester, "e" (*egg) extra, empty, heaven,
>> devil, ember, brand X,
>> 20. Eisawv, "E" (age) age, egg, apron
>> 21. Eiran, "X" (air) air, fare, spare, err
>> 22. Pey, "p" (peep) peep, post, poor,
> plant
>> 23. Resh, "r" (roar) roar, rail, rook,
> raven
>> 24. Earl, "D" (array) *array, *err, urge,
>> urban
>> 25. Shawn, "S" (share) share, sure, sheep,
>> shilling
>> 26. Tawf, "t" (tot) tot, tailor, tree
>> 27. Fey "f" (fee) fee, flower, freedom
>> 28. Wazu "w" (woe) woe, warm, wait, wing
>> 30. Jawn "Z" (measure) measure, Jean,
> voyage,
>> garage, treasure, triage
>> 31. Cheetch "c" (church) church, check, cheat
>> 32. Judjer "J" (judge) judge, jack, join
>> 33. Thorn "T" (thigh) thin, with,
>> 34. Thawn "H" (They) they
>> 35. Izrah "i" (if) if, impossible,
> insane,
>> imp, it
>> 36. Eesy "I" (eat) eat, Ian, East, keep,
>> eel, even
>> 37. Irgun "C" (*ear) *ear, here, beer,
> Cyril,
>> mirror
>> 38. Ahmz "y" (ah) ah, alms, drama,
> trauma
>> spa, lager, espionage, on, stop, salon
>> 39. Oliver "Y" (awe) awe, awful, long,
> hawk,
>> cough, often
>> 40. Arno "R" (are) are, ark, art, heart,
>> cart, tart, tar
>> 41. Oun "Q" (Out) out, owl, clown,
>> drown, pounce, ounce
>> 42. Oprah "O" (oak) oak, hope, goal,
> bowl,
>> ode, old, open
>> 43. Oivy "q" (oil) oil, foyer, lawyer
>> 44. Orly "P" (or) or, more, adore,
> door
>> 45. whoops "U" (wool) rook, put, pull,
> wood,
>> good, books
>> 46. Uzer "M" (ooze) ooze, loser, kook,
>> booze
>> 48. Upety, "u" (up) up, other, umbrella,
>>
> uncle
>> udder, ugly, uneventful
>>
>> Redundant Letters need names too.
>> 46. Ian = Eat+Ado "W"
>> 47. On = Ah "o"
>> 48. *Err = Array "x"
>>
>> Possible Additional Letters
>>
>> 49. Wheil "W" (woe) whale, whirl,
> whew,
>> whoosh, whale
>>
>> * indicates where the standard pronuncation of sample word has
>> changed since 1960, when Androcles was transliterated.
>>
>> So hey everyone.
>> We have to get out of the Doldrums. Name a Shaw Letter.
>>
>> Regards, Paul V.
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Done. Go to Files, under Shaw Script.
I'll continue scanning and uploading pages in the days to come.
-Nick

--- In shavian@..., "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@f...>
wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Do you still have the document? If so is there any way whatsoever
that you
> could scan it in and post it here? I would find it INCREDIBLY
useful to see
> a copy of the Shaw Script newsletter. I've always wanted to see
what it
> looked like.
>
> Hugh B
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "shavianstar" <shavianstar@y...>
> To: <shavian@...>
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 11:17 PM
> Subject: [shavian] Re: Summer Doldrums - Question of Order
>
>
> > Hey Everyone,
> > I got my hands on a newspaper from 1965 written in Shavian.
Kingsley
> > Read, the publisher, gave the following letter names: (he did not
> > use the names that we do now..)
> >
> > Tall:
> > Pea (peep)
> > Tea (tot)
> > Key (kick)
> > Fee (fee)
> > THaw (thigh)
> > See (so)
> > SHe (sure)
> > CHeer (church)
> > Ye (yea)
> > i-NG (hung)
> >
> > Deep:
> > Bay (bib)
> > Day (dead)
> > Gay (gag)
> > Vie (vow)
> > THey (they)
> > Zoo (zoo)
> > ZHay (measure)
> > Jay (judge)
> > Way (woe)
> > Hay (ha-ha)
> >
> > Short:
> > Lee (loll) Ray (roar)
> > Me (mime) Nay (none)
> >
> >
> >
> > Vowels:
> > It(it) Ease (eat)
> > Egg(egg) Ace (age)
> > At (ash) Ice (ice)
> > Ago (ado) Us (up)
> > Hot(on) Owe (oak)
> > Foot (wool) OOze (ooze)
> > OUt (out) boy (oil)
> > Are (are) awe (Awe)
> > Air (air) urge (urge)
> > EAr (ian)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In shavian@..., "paul vandenbrink"
> > <pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
> >> Hi Everybody
> >> Since the lethargy of the summer has arrived, and there are no
> > other
> >> pressing issues, I want to throw open a question to the group.
> >> In a manner of speaking, it is a contest.
> >> It is called "Name that Letter".
> >> As I mentioned before, the current names of the SHAW Letters
leave
> > a
> >> lot to be desired. The names as such provided with the
> > introduction
> >> to Shaw in Androcles are more sample words, rather than Names.
Who
> >> would really name a letter "Dead" or "Err" or "ha-ha".
> >>
> >> I am going to provide my suggestion just to start everything
off,
> >> but I would prefer something more original and distinctive.
> >> The original name/sample word is provided in brackets.
> >> I have also put the letters in a little different order.
> >> Feel free to make suggestions on the order of the 48 Shaw
Letters.
> >> 1. Adu, "a" (ado) ado, along, awake,
> > alert
> >> 2. Alef, "A" (ash) ash, amber, ant,
> > identify
> >> 3. Ail, "F" (ice) ice aisle, iron
> >> 4. Bet, "b" (bib) bib, baby
> >> 5. Gimel, "g" (gag) gag, gun, gold
> >> 6. Delta, "d" (dead) dead
> >> 7. Hey, "h" (ha-ha) ha-ha hey, hang,
> > hello,
> >> hip, heart
> >> 8. Vav, "v" (vow) vow, vagabond
> >> 9. Zayeen, "z" (zoo) zoo, zeal, zebra
> >> 10. Yood, "j" (yea) yea, yes, yellow,
> > yard,
> >> young
> >> 11. Yuter "V" (yew) yew. user,
euphoria,
> >> few, newt, cute, you, fuel, uterous
> >> 12. Kawf "k" (kick) kick, calf, kipper,
> >> cough, kook
> >> 13. Lamed, "l" (loll) lamp, table,
> > mile,devil
> >> 14. Mem, "m" (mime) mime, measure,
moor,
> >> mirror
> >> 15. Nash, "n" (none) none, nun, noon
> >> 17. Ingga, "N" (hung) hung, sing, English
> >> 18. Sam, "s" (so) so, suppose, spring,
> > face
> >> 19. Ester, "e" (*egg) extra, empty,
heaven,
> >> devil, ember, brand X,
> >> 20. Eisawv, "E" (age) age, egg, apron
> >> 21. Eiran, "X" (air) air, fare, spare,
err
> >> 22. Pey, "p" (peep) peep, post, poor,
> > plant
> >> 23. Resh, "r" (roar) roar, rail, rook,
> > raven
> >> 24. Earl, "D" (array) *array, *err, urge,
> >> urban
> >> 25. Shawn, "S" (share) share, sure, sheep,
> >> shilling
> >> 26. Tawf, "t" (tot) tot, tailor, tree
> >> 27. Fey "f" (fee) fee, flower,
freedom
> >> 28. Wazu "w" (woe) woe, warm, wait,
wing
> >> 30. Jawn "Z" (measure) measure, Jean,
> > voyage,
> >> garage, treasure, triage
> >> 31. Cheetch "c" (church) church, check,
cheat
> >> 32. Judjer "J" (judge) judge, jack, join
> >> 33. Thorn "T" (thigh) thin, with,
> >> 34. Thawn "H" (They) they
> >> 35. Izrah "i" (if) if, impossible,
> > insane,
> >> imp, it
> >> 36. Eesy "I" (eat) eat, Ian, East,
keep,
> >> eel, even
> >> 37. Irgun "C" (*ear) *ear, here, beer,
> > Cyril,
> >> mirror
> >> 38. Ahmz "y" (ah) ah, alms, drama,
> > trauma
> >> spa, lager, espionage, on, stop, salon
> >> 39. Oliver "Y" (awe) awe, awful, long,
> > hawk,
> >> cough, often
> >> 40. Arno "R" (are) are, ark, art,
heart,
> >> cart, tart, tar
> >> 41. Oun "Q" (Out) out, owl, clown,
> >> drown, pounce, ounce
> >> 42. Oprah "O" (oak) oak, hope, goal,
> > bowl,
> >> ode, old, open
> >> 43. Oivy "q" (oil) oil, foyer, lawyer
> >> 44. Orly "P" (or) or, more, adore,
> > door
> >> 45. whoops "U" (wool) rook, put, pull,
> > wood,
> >> good, books
> >> 46. Uzer "M" (ooze) ooze, loser, kook,
> >> booze
> >> 48. Upety, "u" (up) up, other, umbrella,
> >>
> > uncle
> >> udder, ugly, uneventful
> >>
> >> Redundant Letters need names too.
> >> 46. Ian = Eat+Ado "W"
> >> 47. On = Ah "o"
> >> 48. *Err = Array "x"
> >>
> >> Possible Additional Letters
> >>
> >> 49. Wheil "W" (woe) whale, whirl,
> > whew,
> >> whoosh, whale
> >>
> >> * indicates where the standard pronuncation of sample word has
> >> changed since 1960, when Androcles was transliterated.
> >>
> >> So hey everyone.
> >> We have to get out of the Doldrums. Name a Shaw Letter.
> >>
> >> Regards, Paul V.
> >
> >
> >
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shavianstar wrote:
> Done. Go to Files, under Shaw Script.
> I'll continue scanning and uploading pages in the days to come.
> -Nick
>
> --- In shavian@..., "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@f...>
> wrote:
>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>Do you still have the document? If so is there any way whatsoever
>
> that you
>
>>could scan it in and post it here? I would find it INCREDIBLY
>
> useful to see
>
>>a copy of the Shaw Script newsletter. I've always wanted to see
>
> what it
>
>>looked like.
>>
>>Hugh B


So that's what the text looked like from the original Shavian
typewriter. Very interesting! And I'm interested to see the rest of
the newsletter as well. Thank you for posting, Nick!

Oh, and that treatment of the alphabet, Pea-Bay-Tea-Day etc. makes so
much more sense than what was used on the card in /Androcles/. Does
anybody know why we use the Peep-Tot-Kick-Fee order and names instead of
this more sensible system?

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On 16 Jun 2004 at 0:17, Ethan wrote:

> Oh, and that treatment of the alphabet, Pea-Bay-Tea-Day etc. makes so
> much more sense than what was used on the card in /Androcles/. Does
> anybody know why we use the Peep-Tot-Kick-Fee order and names instead
> of this more sensible system?

I imagine because that's what the card that comes with _Androcles_
used, which is pretty much all we had to go on.

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The order listed in the Shaw Script journal seems by far the most sensible
system. Shame no one ever saw a copy of the journal before Shavian was put
into Unicode.

I'm curious - Nick - do you have any more editions of the journal? Did you
get them when they were first in circulation? I would dearly love to get
hold of more copies, as these Shavian items were surely the first ever
publications of third-party-written material. I'd like to see what made Read
feel that he had to go on to modify Shavian to create Quikscript.

Also - I'm VERY interested in the possibility of seeing what a Shavian
typewriter looks like. I'm thinking there may be the possibility of actually
creating a typewriter layout that is the same as that used by Read. I'll
have to find out if any are still in existence.

Hugh B


----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Newton" <philip.newton@...>
To: <shavian@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Shaw Script Newsletter


> On 16 Jun 2004 at 0:17, Ethan wrote:
>
>> Oh, and that treatment of the alphabet, Pea-Bay-Tea-Day etc. makes so
>> much more sense than what was used on the card in /Androcles/. Does
>> anybody know why we use the Peep-Tot-Kick-Fee order and names instead
>> of this more sensible system?
>
> I imagine because that's what the card that comes with _Androcles_
> used, which is pretty much all we had to go on.
>
> Cheers,
> Philip
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Hi Guys & Star

I am really glad to hear that Kingsley Read did in fact provide real
names for the Shavian Letters and provided a sequence for the
Alphabet.

As I mentioned before, the previously assigned names of the SHAVIAN
Letters leave
a lot to be desired. The names as such provided with the
introduction to Shaw in Androcles look more like sample words, rather
than real Names. Who would really name a letter "Dead" or "Err"
or "ha-ha". So this newly discovered list provides us with a more
realistic starting point. The Names are good for the Consonant Tall,
Deep and Short, but the Vowel Names still seem to leave a lot to be
desired.
They are incomplete for one thing. They are missing 5 letters.
(array, ear, yew, ah and Or)

I can't believe that Kingsley considered these 5 Vowel sounds as
Compounds, made up of two letters. Maybe Yew, but yew is not a simple
letter. See my next post.
The other letter are a bit problematical in an RP accent, but he kept
most of them in Quickscript.
For example Array is pronounced the sames Ado in RP.
Anyway, the list may not have been finalized or fully thought out at
the time of the Publishing of Androcles.

Any other theories that we can put under Occam's Razor.

Regards, Paul V.

P.S. In every life a little rain has to fall.


--- In shavian@..., "shavianstar" <shavianstar@y...>
wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
> I got my hands on a newspaper from 1965 written in Shavian.
Kingsley
> Read, the publisher, gave the following letter names: (he did not
> use the names that we do now..)
>
> Tall:
> Pea (peep)
> Tea (tot)
> Key (kick)
> Fee (fee)
> THaw (thigh)
> See (so)
> SHe (sure)
> CHeer (church)
> Ye (yea)
> i-NG (hung)
>
> Deep:
> Bay (bib)
> Day (dead)
> Gay (gag)
> Vie (vow)
> THey (they)
> Zoo (zoo)
> ZHay (measure)
> Jay (judge)
> Way (woe)
> Hay (ha-ha)
>
> Short:
> Lee (loll) Ray (roar)
> Me (mime) Nay (none)
>
>
>
> Vowels:
> It(it) Ease (eat)
> Egg(egg) Ace (age)
> At (ash) Ice (ice)
> Ago (ado) Us (up)
> Hot(on) Owe (oak)
> Foot (wool) OOze (ooze)
> OUt (out) boy (oil)
> Are (are) awe (Awe)
> Air (air) urge (urge)
> EAr (ian)

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