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--- In shavian@..., Paul Vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@s...>
wrote:
> Hi Welsoftorig
>
> Do you have another name, I could use?
> Pen Pals is a good idea.
> If you are not hung up on privacy, you can write in Shavian
> at Hugh's Ikonboard at www.shavian.org
> You need to download a Shaw font and start up a new post.
> You need to register, to start a new Topic.
> It may well be that you can reply to an existing topic without
logging in.
> I can get the conversation going if you wish?
>
> Regards, Paul V.
> P.S. It is easy to register, too
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>
>
> At 01:22 PM 5/22/04, you wrote:
> >Recently I had the idea of "Shavian Pen Pals" to make practicing
> >reading and writing Shavian a little easier. Has this ever been
> >tried before in this group? I would appreciate any feed back about
> >this subject.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
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Hi Tony

I set up a new topic at Hugh's Ikonboard at his website over at
www.shavian.org.
Click on Shavian Chat and look for the new post called
Shaw Pen Pals.
It's a place where you
start up a conversation and learn Shaw.
You can reply to my original message.
Just click on Shaw Pen Pals, read the message and click on the reply
button.
It will open up a window to type in your reply in Shavian.
You need to fill in your name. I don't think you have be registered
to just reply but it does need a name in the name field.
Let me know if you need more info about the keyboard mapping for the
Shaw Alphabet. A lot of the letters are just the phonetic equivalent
of the Roman Alphabet. For example, press the B and you get the Shaw
eqivalent letter on your screen.
Anyway give it a try.

Regards, Paul V.

P.S. If you haven't installed the Shaw font from Hugh's webpage into
your windows, you will still see all the letters in the Roman
Alphabet.

--- In shavian@..., "welsoftorig" <Welsoftorig@a...>
wrote:
> > If you are not hung up on privacy, you can write in Shavian
> > at Hugh's Ikonboard at www.shavian.org
> > You need to download a Shaw font and start up a new post.
> > You need to register, to start a new Topic.
> > It may well be that you can reply to an existing topic without
> logging in.
> > I can get the conversation going if you wish?
> >
> > Regards, Paul V.
> > P.S. It is easy to register, too




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So, we need to make new fonts? I don't really have any experience beside computer
fonts, but I'll be glad to help design them.

--- In shavian@..., RSRICHMOND@a... wrote:
> Craig notes: >>I really would prefer to see a facsimile reprinting, as the
> original font is really quite gorgeous.<<
>
> I agree with Craig. But I'm not sure how a photographic reproduction of the
> text printed on paper, even from the library edition, would look. I suspect
> that re-setting it would look better.
>
> Bob Richmond
> Knoxville, Tennessee



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Hi Joe

We have a supply of existing fonts. Any preferences?
A starting point?
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--- In shavian@..., "Joe" <allegrox_2000@y...> wrote:
> So, we need to make new fonts? I don't really have any experience
beside computer
> fonts, but I'll be glad to help design them.




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Hi Everybody
Since the lethargy of the summer has arrived, and there are no other
pressing issues, I want to throw open a question to the group.
In a manner of speaking, it is a contest.
It is called "Name that Letter".
As I mentioned before, the current names of the SHAW Letters leave a
lot to be desired. The names as such provided with the introduction
to Shaw in Androcles are more sample words, rather than Names. Who
would really name a letter "Dead" or "Err" or "ha-ha".

I am going to provide my suggestion just to start everything off,
but I would prefer something more original and distinctive.
The original name/sample word is provided in brackets.
I have also put the letters in a little different order.
Feel free to make suggestions on the order of the 48 Shaw Letters.
1. Adu, "a" (ado) ado, along, awake, alert
2. Alef, "A" (ash) ash, amber, ant, identify
3. Ail, "F" (ice) ice aisle, iron
4. Bet, "b" (bib) bib, baby
5. Gimel, "g" (gag) gag, gun, gold
6. Delta, "d" (dead) dead
7. Hey, "h" (ha-ha) ha-ha hey, hang, hello,
hip, heart
8. Vav, "v" (vow) vow, vagabond
9. Zayeen, "z" (zoo) zoo, zeal, zebra
10. Yood, "j" (yea) yea, yes, yellow, yard,
young
11. Yuter "V" (yew) yew. user, euphoria,
few, newt, cute, you, fuel, uterous
12. Kawf "k" (kick) kick, calf, kipper,
cough, kook
13. Lamed, "l" (loll) lamp, table, mile,devil
14. Mem, "m" (mime) mime, measure, moor,
mirror
15. Nash, "n" (none) none, nun, noon
17. Ingga, "N" (hung) hung, sing, English
18. Sam, "s" (so) so, suppose, spring, face
19. Ester, "e" (*egg) extra, empty, heaven,
devil, ember, brand X,
20. Eisawv, "E" (age) age, egg, apron
21. Eiran, "X" (air) air, fare, spare, err
22. Pey, "p" (peep) peep, post, poor, plant
23. Resh, "r" (roar) roar, rail, rook, raven
24. Earl, "D" (array) *array, *err, urge,
urban
25. Shawn, "S" (share) share, sure, sheep,
shilling
26. Tawf, "t" (tot) tot, tailor, tree
27. Fey "f" (fee) fee, flower, freedom
28. Wazu "w" (woe) woe, warm, wait, wing
30. Jawn "Z" (measure) measure, Jean, voyage,
garage, treasure, triage
31. Cheetch "c" (church) church, check, cheat
32. Judjer "J" (judge) judge, jack, join
33. Thorn "T" (thigh) thin, with,
34. Thawn "H" (They) they
35. Izrah "i" (if) if, impossible, insane,
imp, it
36. Eesy "I" (eat) eat, Ian, East, keep,
eel, even
37. Irgun "C" (*ear) *ear, here, beer, Cyril,
mirror
38. Ahmz "y" (ah) ah, alms, drama, trauma
spa, lager, espionage, on, stop, salon
39. Oliver "Y" (awe) awe, awful, long, hawk,
cough, often
40. Arno "R" (are) are, ark, art, heart,
cart, tart, tar
41. Oun "Q" (Out) out, owl, clown,
drown, pounce, ounce
42. Oprah "O" (oak) oak, hope, goal, bowl,
ode, old, open
43. Oivy "q" (oil) oil, foyer, lawyer
44. Orly "P" (or) or, more, adore, door
45. whoops "U" (wool) rook, put, pull, wood,
good, books
46. Uzer "M" (ooze) ooze, loser, kook,
booze
48. Upety, "u" (up) up, other, umbrella,
uncle
udder, ugly, uneventful

Redundant Letters need names too.
46. Ian = Eat+Ado "W"
47. On = Ah "o"
48. *Err = Array "x"

Possible Additional Letters

49. Wheil "W" (woe) whale, whirl, whew,
whoosh, whale

* indicates where the standard pronuncation of sample word has
changed since 1960, when Androcles was transliterated.

So hey everyone.
We have to get out of the Doldrums. Name a Shaw Letter.

Regards, Paul V.





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Hi,

I would suggest we do two things:

(1) refrain from naming letters other than the way they are named in
the Unicode standard
(2) refrain from adding letters to the alphabet

The ordering of letters in the alphabet may be an interesting project,
but we have a default order as it is presented in the Unicode standard.
Therefore, we really need not work on that either.

Therefore, I suggest we do something else, like work on reprinting
Androcles and the Lion, publishing more texts, etc.

--Scott

On Jun 8, 2004, at 13:03, paul vandenbrink wrote:

> Hi Everybody
> Since the lethargy of the summer has arrived, and there are no other
> pressing issues, I want to throw open a question to the group.
> In a manner of speaking, it is a contest.
> It is called "Name that Letter".
> As I mentioned before, the current names of the SHAW Letters leave a
> lot to be desired. The names as such provided with the introduction
> to Shaw in Androcles are more sample words, rather than Names. Who
> would really name a letter "Dead" or "Err" or "ha-ha".
>
> I am going to provide my suggestion just to start everything off,
> but I would prefer something more original and distinctive.
> The original name/sample word is provided in brackets.
> I have also put the letters in a little different order.
> Feel free to make suggestions on the order of the 48 Shaw Letters.
> 1. Adu, "a" (ado) ado, along, awake, alert
> 2. Alef, "A" (ash) ash, amber, ant, identify
> 3. Ail, "F" (ice) ice aisle, iron
> 4. Bet, "b" (bib) bib, baby
> 5. Gimel, "g" (gag) gag, gun, gold
> 6. Delta, "d" (dead) dead
> 7. Hey, "h" (ha-ha) ha-ha hey, hang, hello,
> hip, heart
> 8. Vav, "v" (vow) vow, vagabond
> 9. Zayeen, "z" (zoo) zoo, zeal, zebra
> 10. Yood, "j" (yea) yea, yes, yellow, yard,
> young
> 11. Yuter "V" (yew) yew. user, euphoria,
> few, newt, cute, you, fuel, uterous
> 12. Kawf "k" (kick) kick, calf, kipper,
> cough, kook
> 13. Lamed, "l" (loll) lamp, table, mile,devil
> 14. Mem, "m" (mime) mime, measure, moor,
> mirror
> 15. Nash, "n" (none) none, nun, noon
> 17. Ingga, "N" (hung) hung, sing, English
> 18. Sam, "s" (so) so, suppose, spring, face
> 19. Ester, "e" (*egg) extra, empty, heaven,
> devil, ember, brand X,
> 20. Eisawv, "E" (age) age, egg, apron
> 21. Eiran, "X" (air) air, fare, spare, err
> 22. Pey, "p" (peep) peep, post, poor, plant
> 23. Resh, "r" (roar) roar, rail, rook, raven
> 24. Earl, "D" (array) *array, *err, urge,
> urban
> 25. Shawn, "S" (share) share, sure, sheep,
> shilling
> 26. Tawf, "t" (tot) tot, tailor, tree
> 27. Fey "f" (fee) fee, flower, freedom
> 28. Wazu "w" (woe) woe, warm, wait, wing
> 30. Jawn "Z" (measure) measure, Jean, voyage,
> garage, treasure, triage
> 31. Cheetch "c" (church) church, check, cheat
> 32. Judjer "J" (judge) judge, jack, join
> 33. Thorn "T" (thigh) thin, with,
> 34. Thawn "H" (They) they
> 35. Izrah "i" (if) if, impossible, insane,
> imp, it
> 36. Eesy "I" (eat) eat, Ian, East, keep,
> eel, even
> 37. Irgun "C" (*ear) *ear, here, beer, Cyril,
> mirror
> 38. Ahmz "y" (ah) ah, alms, drama, trauma
> spa, lager, espionage, on, stop, salon
> 39. Oliver "Y" (awe) awe, awful, long, hawk,
> cough, often
> 40. Arno "R" (are) are, ark, art, heart,
> cart, tart, tar
> 41. Oun "Q" (Out) out, owl, clown,
> drown, pounce, ounce
> 42. Oprah "O" (oak) oak, hope, goal, bowl,
> ode, old, open
> 43. Oivy "q" (oil) oil, foyer, lawyer
> 44. Orly "P" (or) or, more, adore, door
> 45. whoops "U" (wool) rook, put, pull, wood,
> good, books
> 46. Uzer "M" (ooze) ooze, loser, kook,
> booze
> 48. Upety, "u" (up) up, other, umbrella,
> uncle
> udder, ugly, uneventful
>
> Redundant Letters need names too.
> 46. Ian = Eat+Ado "W"
> 47. On = Ah "o"
> 48. *Err = Array "x"
>
> Possible Additional Letters
>
> 49. Wheil "W" (woe) whale, whirl, whew,
> whoosh, whale
>
> * indicates where the standard pronuncation of sample word has
> changed since 1960, when Androcles was transliterated.
>
> So hey everyone.
> We have to get out of the Doldrums. Name a Shaw Letter.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>



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Hey Everyone! How would you like a computer program to convert
roman text to Shavian? I am currently working on that right now, as
a matter of fact. There are a few tweaks i need to work out before
I allow a beta release. I would much appreciate any help, comments
or suggestions.
Also, I need to know any serious changes to spelling that differ
from DeMeyere's standard. Although I have been using Shavian on and
off for the past three years, I have just joined this group. I'm
finding the spelling unpleasently subjective, and I find that the
way that people normally have spelled things greatly affects how
they spell in Shavian. Do we have set standards on some spellings?
There are so many posts on this website I'm not sure what's
important.
Thanks all,
-Nick



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Untill I found this place.
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On 8 Jun 2004 at 22:05, shavianstar wrote:

> Hey Everyone! How would you like a computer program to convert
> roman text to Shavian?

I think Andy Callaway already provided one, but the more the merrier :)

> Also, I need to know any serious changes to spelling that differ
> from DeMeyere's standard. Although I have been using Shavian on and
> off for the past three years, I have just joined this group. I'm
> finding the spelling unpleasently subjective, and I find that the
> way that people normally have spelled things greatly affects how
> they spell in Shavian. Do we have set standards on some spellings?

This has been one of the points of contention recently on this group,
so you've touched a sore point. I don't think we have consensus on
spelling.

I personally am on the side of Hugh, which is to use the spelling of
the American Heritage Dictionary (not AHD for Learners) as exemplified
e.g. on dictionary.com, whose pronunciation key is fairly close to the
speech of _Androcles_ and makes more distinctions than General American
does.

Any program you write would have to use a dictionary, I imagine, since
I doubt rule-based spelling would get you very far. In which case
people who disagree with your spelling could simply replace or modify
the spelling dictionary your program uses.

Cheers,
Philip
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I was really far into debt.
Like Most I was in Financial dispair.
I could not seem to get ahead no matter how hard I tried.
Untill I found this place.
http://wehelp.place.cc
If you are in debt they can help you out.
Check them out today I did.
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