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--Star

--- Philip Newton <philip.newton@...> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:48:12 -0700 (PDT), Star Raven
> <celestraof12worlds@...> wrote:
> > --- "Newton, Philip" <Philip.Newton@...> wrote:
> > > And what about "o'clock" [...]? Or fo'c'sle?
> >
> > My nationality is showing... or what?
>
> Forecastle. Part of a ship. Often pronounced, and sometimes written,
> fo'c'sle (roughly, "foxle").
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>
>


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That's what I get for not living on an island *eg*

--Star

--- Philip Newton <philip.newton@...> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:48:12 -0700 (PDT), Star Raven
> <celestraof12worlds@...> wrote:
> > --- "Newton, Philip" <Philip.Newton@...> wrote:
> > > And what about "o'clock" [...]? Or fo'c'sle?
> >
> > My nationality is showing... or what?
>
> Forecastle. Part of a ship. Often pronounced, and sometimes written,
> fo'c'sle (roughly, "foxle").
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>
>


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>
> I think Androcles had something to say on this matter. Can't remember
> which part mentioned it though. If you have a copy, flick through the
> intro/concluding notes, I'm sure it's there. The gist was, I believe,
> to only use it for indicating possession, e.g. "John's", but not for
> contractions, e.g. dOnt rather than dOn't.

Don't we all wish we had a copy of Androlocles! I wish I did, but I
can't find any, even online.

--Star, who enjoys stirring up the hornets nest from time to time

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Listed in Mirriam Webster as FOHK-s(schwa)l and BO-s(schwa)n. I have to
say this for the boat people, you sure have interesting ways of
abbreviating things.

Maybe I should get a canoe (pronounced c(schwa)n-OOH)

Love you guys!
--Star

--- phild@... wrote:
> I think he means the part of a ship written "forecastle" but
> pronounced "fo'c'sle." Check the pronunciation of "boatswain."
>
> Words such as these should be written in Shavian as they
> sound.
>


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Go to http://www.bookfinder.com

Put in Shaw as Author

Put in Androcles as Title

Click on "Show More Options"

Enter Shaw Alphabet as Keywords

Click on "Begin Search"

Take your choice of available books


----- Originala Mesagxo -----
De: "Star Raven" <celestraof12worlds@...>
Al: <shavian@...>
Sendita: Merkredon, 21an de julio 2004, 7:28 ptm
Temo: Re: [shavian] God, NASA, and didn't

> Don't we all wish we had a copy of Androlocles! I wish I did, but I
> can't find any, even online.




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Click on "Show More Options"

Enter Shaw Alphabet as Keywords

Click on "Begin Search"

Take your choice of available books


----- Originala Mesagxo -----
De: "Star Raven" <celestraof12worlds@...>
Al: <shavian@...>
Sendita: Merkredon, 21an de julio 2004, 7:28 ptm
Temo: Re: [shavian] God, NASA, and didn't

> Don't we all wish we had a copy of Androlocles! I wish I did, but I
> can't find any, even online.




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There is a slight problem... they usually want money for their books,
and I have none to spare at the moment. I'll remember that though,
thanks.

--Star

--- "Ph. D." <phild@...> wrote:
> Go to http://www.bookfinder.com
>
> Put in Shaw as Author
>
> Put in Androcles as Title
>
> Click on "Show More Options"
>
> Enter Shaw Alphabet as Keywords
>
> Click on "Begin Search"
>
> Take your choice of available books
>
>
> ----- Originala Mesagxo -----
> De: "Star Raven" <celestraof12worlds@...>
> Al: <shavian@...>
> Sendita: Merkredon, 21an de julio 2004, 7:28 ptm
> Temo: Re: [shavian] God, NASA, and didn't
>
> > Don't we all wish we had a copy of Androlocles! I wish I did, but I
> > can't find any, even online.
>
>
>


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Hugh Birkenhead wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Star Raven" <celestraof12worlds@...
> <mailto:celestraof12worlds@...>>
>
> > God, Death, Fate, War...
> Ggod, GdeT, GfEt, GwP. There's no reason why you shouldn't use the namer
> dot for any word where you would deliberately use a capital letter for
> reasons of importance (like with the above words).

I agree.
>
> > The list goes on of personifications that we should capitolise, not to
> > mention the TO trad of capitolising pronoun refs to God. Question:
> > should we carry this over to shavian and use a namer dot in front of
> > His, He, ect.?
>
> If you are religious and you feel it necessary, sure. I personally don't
> capitalise 'god', or personal pronouns referring to him, so I would
> write god, hiz, hI, etc. Others could write Ggod, Ghiz, GhI if so they
> desired.

It would be good to use the namer dot (and capital letter) when
referring to God, as a differentiation between the "God of the Bible"
(which is always capitalized) and the generic term "god", meaning any
diety, not necessarily "The one true God".

As for capitalizing pronouns referring to God, if the old AV (KJV) Bible
doesn't do it, then I see no need to do it myself. But of course,
that's up to the individual to decide how they will use the namer dot.
Some have even suggested skipping the namer dot altogether, but that may
be a little more than most people are willing to accept.

>
> > Also, what of abreviations? NASA in shavian would be N-AIR-S-(short)A,
> > and I shudder to think about N-(schwa)-F-T-(schwa) aka NAFTA or others
> > that don't sound as good when the first shavian letter is used. Of
> > course, you know that the us gov't tends to make up the acronyms first,
> > but already established acronyms might cause a problem.
> I suppose if the acronym is more commonly remembered than the individual
> words it represents, it's probably not wise to try to 're-pronounce' it
> in Shavian. In the media, you hear a lot about 'NASA' (pronounced nAsa)
> but not so much about 'the National Aeronautics and Space
> Administration', so maybe referring to it as GnAsa, rather than
> GnXsA, would be a better idea in most cases.

I agree. Use the pronunciation of the acronyms where appropriate, else
use Shavian acronyms (or leave the acronym in TO).

>
> > One more! Contractions and possesives cause problems as well. Do we
> > want to use the apostrophy to set off letters in contractions? Since
> > the difference in possessives is not heard when spoken, but understood,
> > do we drop it in this instance?
> I think Androcles had something to say on this matter. Can't remember
> which part mentioned it though. If you have a copy, flick through the
> intro/concluding notes, I'm sure it's there. The gist was, I believe, to
> only use it for indicating possession, e.g. "John's", but not for
> contractions, e.g. dOnt rather than dOn't.

I have never seen much use for apostrophes in common words, so I don't
normally use them in Shavian, not even for possessive case. If you
don't pronounce it, why write it?

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Hugh Birkenhead wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Star Raven" <celestraof12worlds@...
> <mailto:celestraof12worlds@...>>
>
> > God, Death, Fate, War...
> Ggod, GdeT, GfEt, GwP. There's no reason why you shouldn't use the namer
> dot for any word where you would deliberately use a capital letter for
> reasons of importance (like with the above words).

I agree.
>
> > The list goes on of personifications that we should capitolise, not to
> > mention the TO trad of capitolising pronoun refs to God. Question:
> > should we carry this over to shavian and use a namer dot in front of
> > His, He, ect.?
>
> If you are religious and you feel it necessary, sure. I personally don't
> capitalise 'god', or personal pronouns referring to him, so I would
> write god, hiz, hI, etc. Others could write Ggod, Ghiz, GhI if so they
> desired.

It would be good to use the namer dot (and capital letter) when
referring to God, as a differentiation between the "God of the Bible"
(which is always capitalized) and the generic term "god", meaning any
diety, not necessarily "The one true God".

As for capitalizing pronouns referring to God, if the old AV (KJV) Bible
doesn't do it, then I see no need to do it myself. But of course,
that's up to the individual to decide how they will use the namer dot.
Some have even suggested skipping the namer dot altogether, but that may
be a little more than most people are willing to accept.

>
> > Also, what of abreviations? NASA in shavian would be N-AIR-S-(short)A,
> > and I shudder to think about N-(schwa)-F-T-(schwa) aka NAFTA or others
> > that don't sound as good when the first shavian letter is used. Of
> > course, you know that the us gov't tends to make up the acronyms first,
> > but already established acronyms might cause a problem.
> I suppose if the acronym is more commonly remembered than the individual
> words it represents, it's probably not wise to try to 're-pronounce' it
> in Shavian. In the media, you hear a lot about 'NASA' (pronounced nAsa)
> but not so much about 'the National Aeronautics and Space
> Administration', so maybe referring to it as GnAsa, rather than
> GnXsA, would be a better idea in most cases.

I agree. Use the pronunciation of the acronyms where appropriate, else
use Shavian acronyms (or leave the acronym in TO).

>
> > One more! Contractions and possesives cause problems as well. Do we
> > want to use the apostrophy to set off letters in contractions? Since
> > the difference in possessives is not heard when spoken, but understood,
> > do we drop it in this instance?
> I think Androcles had something to say on this matter. Can't remember
> which part mentioned it though. If you have a copy, flick through the
> intro/concluding notes, I'm sure it's there. The gist was, I believe, to
> only use it for indicating possession, e.g. "John's", but not for
> contractions, e.g. dOnt rather than dOn't.

I have never seen much use for apostrophes in common words, so I don't
normally use them in Shavian, not even for possessive case. If you
don't pronounce it, why write it?

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My name in Shavian and Latin text


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Hi Hugh & Star
The problem with capitalizing Important Abstract Nouns, is that
occasionally, those words are real names of people or things. Names
like Charity, Rose, Prudence, Summer, Rock (Hudson) are used in the
abstract form and also as names of Real things. Rather than add
these exceptions and then have to puzzle out what we are talking
about lets just leave it be. We could maybe use an asterisk instead.
As for G-d, you can just use one of his many names instead of the
confusing Generic term and then add a namer dot.

Regards, Paul V.

--- In shavian@..., Ethan <ethanl@3...> wrote:
> Hugh Birkenhead wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Star Raven" <celestraof12worlds@y...
> > <mailto:celestraof12worlds@y...>>
> >
> > > God, Death, Fate, War...
> > Ggod, GdeT, GfEt, GwP. There's no reason why you shouldn't use
the namer
> > dot for any word where you would deliberately use a capital
letter for
> > reasons of importance (like with the above words).
>
> I agree.
> >




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