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----- Original Message -----
From: cutler <mailto:cutler@...>
To: Michael de Souza <mailto:mplds@...>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 4:11 PM
Subject: [shavian] Do the British, in the name of Justice, pamper the savages who torture tots?




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Please, please, please take me off the Shavian mailing list! I don't want to
receive these postings. I've heard it all before. Stop sending me these
notes, especially the ones about British criminal justice.
Daniel Szczurek
twojbrat@...

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>From: Eoghan <eoghan@...>
>To: shavian@...
>Subject: [shavian] Re: Re: Shavian and IPA phonemes
>Date: Apr Fri, 2001, 09:38
>

>
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>> From: "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@...>
>>Subject: Re: Re: Shavian and IPA phonemes
>>
>>I agree with you, we've heard this all before. It's a shame that no one
>>seems to want to post IN Shavian rather than ABOUT it.
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Hi,

I am new to this. I am sure that this is a newbie question. I have
been getting along pretty well with it, but I am having a very
difficult time trying to decide what to do with the "er" ending on
words. I also have a difficult time figuring out when to use
the "Up" character, and when to use "Ado". Any suggestions would
help.

Thanks,

Scott


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How would you describe your accent? Are you from the US?

Basically, 'er' and 'up' are *stressed*, whereas 'array' and 'ado' are
*unstressed*.

There has been a fair amount of debate on this subject alone in the past. If
you are still curious, you might want to browse back through the archive of
postings (two and a half years' worth) - visit
www.groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian.

Hugh

----- Original Message -----
From: <sdkilbourn@...>
To: <shavian@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 6:17 AM
Subject: [shavian] New to this. Please help


> Hi,
>
> I am new to this. I am sure that this is a newbie question. I have
> been getting along pretty well with it, but I am having a very
> difficult time trying to decide what to do with the "er" ending on
> words. I also have a difficult time figuring out when to use
> the "Up" character, and when to use "Ado". Any suggestions would
> help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>
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How would you describe your accent? Are you from the US?

Basically, 'er' and 'up' are *stressed*, whereas 'array' and 'ado' are
*unstressed*.

There has been a fair amount of debate on this subject alone in the past. If
you are still curious, you might want to browse back through the archive of
postings (two and a half years' worth) - visit
www.groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian.

Hugh

----- Original Message -----
From: <sdkilbourn@...>
To: <shavian@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 6:17 AM
Subject: [shavian] New to this. Please help


> Hi,
>
> I am new to this. I am sure that this is a newbie question. I have
> been getting along pretty well with it, but I am having a very
> difficult time trying to decide what to do with the "er" ending on
> words. I also have a difficult time figuring out when to use
> the "Up" character, and when to use "Ado". Any suggestions would
> help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>


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I am from the US. I am originally from Massachusetts, near Boston.
I have been living in Illinois for the last nine or so years now,
however.

--- In shavian@y..., "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@b...> wrote:
> How would you describe your accent? Are you from the US?
>
> Basically, 'er' and 'up' are *stressed*, whereas 'array' and 'ado'
are
> *unstressed*.
>
> There has been a fair amount of debate on this subject alone in the
past. If
> you are still curious, you might want to browse back through the
archive of
> postings (two and a half years' worth) - visit
> www.groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian.
>
> Hugh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sdkilbourn@y...>
> To: <shavian@y...>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 6:17 AM
> Subject: [shavian] New to this. Please help
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am new to this. I am sure that this is a newbie question. I
have
> > been getting along pretty well with it, but I am having a very
> > difficult time trying to decide what to do with the "er" ending on
> > words. I also have a difficult time figuring out when to use
> > the "Up" character, and when to use "Ado". Any suggestions would
> > help.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >


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If you don't want to be on a mailing list, you'll need to unsubscribe
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postings.

Hope this helps,
-Eoghan

>Please, please, please take me off the Shavian mailing list! I don't want to
>receive these postings. I've heard it all before. Stop sending me these
>notes, especially the ones about British criminal justice.
>Daniel Szczurek
>twojbrat@...


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Anyway, can someone please be kind enough to give me the Cliff notes
version of what is appropriate in this situation. I have been
writing a lot for practice, but am now afraid that I have been doing
it incorrectly. I can tell you that I have spent more time with a
dictionary in the last couple of months than at any other time in my
life!

Basically, what I am confused as to what to use as for words with an
er ending (Father, mother, etc...). The way I pronounce it indicates
that I should use the "Urge" character, but the dictionary seems to
disagree with me on this point.

Thanks all.

--- In shavian@y..., sdkilbourn@y... wrote:
> I am from the US. I am originally from Massachusetts, near
Boston.
> I have been living in Illinois for the last nine or so years now,
> however.
>
> --- In shavian@y..., "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@b...> wrote:
> > How would you describe your accent? Are you from the US?
> >
> > Basically, 'er' and 'up' are *stressed*, whereas 'array'
and 'ado'
> are
> > *unstressed*.
> >
> > There has been a fair amount of debate on this subject alone in
the
> past. If
> > you are still curious, you might want to browse back through the
> archive of
> > postings (two and a half years' worth) - visit
> > www.groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian.
> >
> > Hugh
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <sdkilbourn@y...>
> > To: <shavian@y...>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 6:17 AM
> > Subject: [shavian] New to this. Please help
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am new to this. I am sure that this is a newbie question. I
> have
> > > been getting along pretty well with it, but I am having a very
> > > difficult time trying to decide what to do with the "er" ending
on
> > > words. I also have a difficult time figuring out when to use
> > > the "Up" character, and when to use "Ado". Any suggestions
would
> > > help.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >




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On Thursday, May 3, 2001, at 04:00 , sdkilbourn@... wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the information. I tried to take a look at the documents
> that you pointed me to, but all I saw was a bunch of blocks. Any
> ideas on what I can do to take a look? I have the Lionspaw font
> installed on my computer.
>
> Thanks.
>

Hi,

The Shavian documents on my web pages contain Unicode characters.
At the bottom of the page is a description about Unicode and how to use
it. Assuming you are using a Windows machine, the easiest thing to
probably do is to download the font for Windows on the bottom of the
page and install it. And then make sure your browser uses that font for
Unicode web pages. And then look at the UTF-8 web page version of each
document.

--
Scott Harrison



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Hi,

Thanks for the information. I tried to take a look at the documents
that you pointed me to, but all I saw was a bunch of blocks. Any
ideas on what I can do to take a look? I have the Lionspaw font
installed on my computer.

Thanks.

--- In shavian@y..., Scott Harrison <scott_harrison@a...> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 2, 2001, at 04:12 , sdkilbourn@y... wrote:
>
> Anyway, can someone please be kind enough to give me the Cliff notes
> version of what is appropriate in this situation. I have been
> writing a lot for practice, but am now afraid that I have been doing
> it incorrectly. I can tell you that I have spent more time with a
> dictionary in the last couple of months than at any other time in my
> life!
>
> Basically, what I am confused as to what to use as for words with an
> er ending (Father, mother, etc...). The way I pronounce it
indicates
> that I should use the "Urge" character, but the dictionary seems to
> disagree with me on this point.
>
> Thanks all.
>
>
> Hi,
>
> The problem with a dictionary is that it usually attempts to
come
> up with a standard pronunciation for words. And of course we all
> pronounce some things like the dictionary says and others in a
different
> way. And remember it depends on what dictionary you use. I cannot
> really give you advice on what you should do, but I will tell you
what I
> do.
>
> I am creating texts in Shavian (see http://www.mithrandir.com
and
> click on Software and then Shavian if you are interested in them)
by
> creating a master dictionary of words. For that dictionary I
attempt to
> use my pronunciation as I "hear" it (except for specific rules like
the
> spelling of "a" that I have adopted). This definitely is different
from
> the spellings found in Androcles and the Lion (which I have). I
then
> present the text with my spelling. At the present time all the
people
> seem to be doing this with their texts. I am not sure whether we
will
> ever come up with a standard English spelling of words. If we do
decide
> that a standard spelling of words is the way to go, then I can
always
> convert my texts over to that standard spelling since they are all
> electronic and it is very easy to do. Until that time I keep all
my
> texts in my American pronunciation (even the British ones).
>
> Just enjoy this. Read other's texts and see how they differ
from
> your usage and learn that people pronounce things differently. You
will
> get used to things and recognize them for what they are. Of course
you
> may pronounce something internally differently from what is
written, but
> that is something you are likely to do no matter what.
>
> --
> Scott Harrison




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